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There has never been an offical cartrdige by the name of 45 Long Colt.It is 45 Colt.I watched entire episode of Cowboys on RFDTV an the guy, a cowboy action shooter, was doing a program on 45 Colts. In all instances he kept referring to 45 Long Colt and how accurate he was in all his historical information.Then he went on to brag on his 45 "Long Colt" rifle and how that cartridge was used thru out the west in earlier times. When in fact the chambering of 45 Colts in rifles is only a fairly new thing with the advent of Cowboy Action matches. It was unheard of back in the days of 73 ,32 Winchesters and such.

44-40 was the most prevalent cartridge for those who chose to have the same round for thier hamdgun and rifle. 38 WCF,32-20 and other smaller cartridges were also popular. The 45 colt was only very popular in the handgun.

So if all you Cowboy shooters want to be historically correct,please start referring to it as the 45 Colt.

Just one of my pet peaves like those who ask what caliber did you shoot the elk with.Heck that would could stretch from a 30 carbine to 300mag and above with dozens of "cartridges in between.

Rant over!!!!!


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I imagine it came into usage shortly after introduction of the 45ACP.

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Called long because of the S&W Schofield top breaks in 45 used a shorter cartridge and were in us by the army as well Russ

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There is no short colt either ,but if you had a calvery unit using the top break Schofield and you were sent 45colt ammo you
would damn well be telling them to send you the short colt!

But if you had a 45colt revolver you could use either!

So yes there at the time in question a long Colt and a short colt
round was made!

Of course the longer colt round was just the 45Colt!

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Originally Posted by saddlesore
There has never been an offical cartrdige by the name of 45 Long Colt.It is 45 Colt.I watched entire episode of Cowboys on RFDTV an the guy, a cowboy action shooter, was doing a program on 45 Colts. In all instances he kept referring to 45 Long Colt and how accurate he was in all his historical information.Then he went on to brag on his 45 "Long Colt" rifle and how that cartridge was used thru out the west in earlier times. When in fact the chambering of 45 Colts in rifles is only a fairly new thing with the advent of Cowboy Action matches. It was unheard of back in the days of 73 ,32 Winchesters and such.

44-40 was the most prevalent cartridge for those who chose to have the same round for thier hamdgun and rifle. 38 WCF,32-20 and other smaller cartridges were also popular. The 45 colt was only very popular in the handgun.

So if all you Cowboy shooters want to be historically correct,please start referring to it as the 45 Colt.

Just one of my pet peaves like those who ask what caliber did you shoot the elk with.Heck that would could stretch from a 30 carbine to 300mag and above with dozens of "cartridges in between.

Rant over!!!!!


Prob'ly 90-95% of the Cowboy shooters know that and choose to ignore it... since many shoot either the Schofield or the .45 "Cowboy Special" (.45 ACP case length, with a rim) and are usually trying to differentiate quickly between case lengths all being used in guns chambered for .45 Colt.

OTOH, many of the newer CAS folks don't always know the .45 in a rifle isn't authentic... but most choose to ignore that, too, since using a single cartridge in all three cartridge guns simplifies loading (especially loading on the clock), handloading, supplies, etc.

(Many newer folks don't realize the Henry Big Boy isn't really a historical Henry replica, either.)

FWIW, most Cowboy shooters under SASS rules don't care all that much about being so historically accurate as to get in the way of fun... and there's a degree of "coulda been" fantasy involved all the time smile

NCOWS guys are much more atuned to historal accuracy, but I suspect they attract more historian/shooters than pure shooters.

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You are exactly right. I have no idea why so called experts on TV say the things they do.

They refer to a caliber as a cartridge all the time.

I watched a 30 minute show on long range shooting on TV the other night. There were a couple of so called experts on the show. The first thing they did was to describe MOA. And the first thing he said was that 1 MOA is exactly one inch at 100 yards and 2 inches at 200 yards?? How can this guy be an expert??

I watch these guys on TV who should know-but they don't know. I am not sure why they don't think a bit about what they say. They definitely do not know handgun nomenclature.

I am sure the "long" was just added at some point by someone who was just trying to differentiate it from the "short" cartridges. But that still does not make it right. Tom.


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It makes as much sense as calling the 270 WSM a short magnum. The nomenclature suggests there should be a long one. At least with the 300 WSM there is a Winchester longer mag, and, while the 7mm doesn't have a Winchester long partner in the line-up, it probably can get a pass since the Rem Mag version is often simply called the "Seven Mag". But what's up with calling the 350 Remington a Magnum? The only thing magnum there is the belt. Since that is the case, simply saying 350 Remington belted would suffice. And "38" for a cartridge that uses bullets not even 36 caliber? Give me a break!

Actually, I don't sweat the names of cartridges. On the contrary, when things seem off somehow, usually there's a clue that a story of some kind exists, and that's never a bad thing if you like history.


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Actually, there was an article a few years ago in handloader about this very topic. The author referenced 19th century sources of the term "Long Colt" including original cartridge boxes. As I recall, it was his conclusion that the Army was responsible for the terminology due to the confusion of .45 Colt vs. .45 Schofield in issue ammunition.

Maybe someone with the Rifle/Handloader CDs could do a search for the article.


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Originally Posted by saddlesore
There has never been an offical cartrdige by the name of 45 Long Colt.It is 45 Colt.I watched entire episode of Cowboys on RFDTV an the guy, a cowboy action shooter, was doing a program on 45 Colts. In all instances he kept referring to 45 Long Colt and how accurate he was in all his historical information.Then he went on to brag on his 45 "Long Colt" rifle and how that cartridge was used thru out the west in earlier times. When in fact the chambering of 45 Colts in rifles is only a fairly new thing with the advent of Cowboy Action matches. It was unheard of back in the days of 73 ,32 Winchesters and such.

44-40 was the most prevalent cartridge for those who chose to have the same round for thier hamdgun and rifle. 38 WCF,32-20 and other smaller cartridges were also popular. The 45 colt was only very popular in the handgun.

So if all you Cowboy shooters want to be historically correct,please start referring to it as the 45 Colt.

Just one of my pet peaves like those who ask what caliber did you shoot the elk with.Heck that would could stretch from a 30 carbine to 300mag and above with dozens of "cartridges in between.

Rant over!!!!!



My pet peeve (OK one of) Is the people who talk of the non existing 41 special. For those here that do not know there was not a 41 special, short or S&W or Colt or whatever before the 41 magnum. It was designed and brought out as the 41 magnum not a lengthened version of a 41 whatever.

Yes I am nit picking but some nits need picked

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Slightly off topic, but I remember watching cowboy movies
when I was a kid and seeing indians using Winchester 94s.

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Originally Posted by Jericho
Slightly off topic, but I remember watching cowboy movies
when I was a kid and seeing indians using Winchester 94s.


I hate that.
I also hate seeing Colt SAA's being used in movies supposedly set before '73.
I also hate seeing saddles with Association trees being used in movies.

Thankfully most of the newer generation of producers and directors are more concerned with getting details right than some before them were.


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Originally Posted by Jericho
Slightly off topic, but I remember watching cowboy movies
when I was a kid and seeing indians using Winchester 94s.
They were probably '92s, which are pretty difficult to distinguish from '94s, especially at a glance. The 1892 Winchester was exceedingly popular in films due to its ability to ingest the popular "Five-in-One blanks" that were used on the sets. Same with the Colt SAA.

One of the most infamous cases was The Commancheros, a John Wayne offering set in 1836.

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Originally Posted by ColeYounger
Originally Posted by Jericho
Slightly off topic, but I remember watching cowboy movies
when I was a kid and seeing indians using Winchester 94s.
They were probably '92s, which are pretty difficult to distinguish from '94s, especially at a glance. The 1892 Winchester was exceedingly popular in films due to its ability to ingest the popular "Five-in-One blanks" that were used on the sets. Same with the Colt SAA.

One of the most infamous cases was The Commancheros, a John Wayne offering set in 1836.


I heard a rumour once that right up till just before filming began the rifle to be used in the film "Winchester '73" was a '92. Not sure how true that is.


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Common usage in language, even though 'wrong', often persists and eventually becomes 'acceptable', and recognised as so in the very publication of new dictionaries. English usage just evolves and people can understand.

I am no longer irritated by hearing a reference to the "45 Long Colt" for the correct term "45 Colt" ... I am sometimes more irritated by hearing someone sternly correcting the misusage of the term ... ... Peace.

I have become SO liberal, that I don't even mind hearing the term "CLIP!" instead of "MAGAZINE!"

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Compromiser! grin


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Still, common useage don't make it right.I lump it into the same category as all the ones who ask what caliber you hunting with when they mean cartrdige.


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Originally Posted by maarty
Originally Posted by Jericho
Slightly off topic, but I remember watching cowboy movies
when I was a kid and seeing indians using Winchester 94s.


I hate that.
I also hate seeing Colt SAA's being used in movies supposedly set before '73.
I also hate seeing saddles with Association trees being used in movies.

Thankfully most of the newer generation of producers and directors are more concerned with getting details right than some before them were.


How about inner-tube wrapped saddle horns set in 1880's?
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Originally Posted by 8mmwapiti
Originally Posted by saddlesore
There has never been an offical cartrdige by the name of 45 Long Colt.It is 45 Colt.I watched entire episode of Cowboys on RFDTV an the guy, a cowboy action shooter, was doing a program on 45 Colts. In all instances he kept referring to 45 Long Colt and how accurate he was in all his historical information.Then he went on to brag on his 45 "Long Colt" rifle and how that cartridge was used thru out the west in earlier times. When in fact the chambering of 45 Colts in rifles is only a fairly new thing with the advent of Cowboy Action matches. It was unheard of back in the days of 73 ,32 Winchesters and such.

44-40 was the most prevalent cartridge for those who chose to have the same round for thier hamdgun and rifle. 38 WCF,32-20 and other smaller cartridges were also popular. The 45 colt was only very popular in the handgun.

So if all you Cowboy shooters want to be historically correct,please start referring to it as the 45 Colt.

Just one of my pet peaves like those who ask what caliber did you shoot the elk with.Heck that would could stretch from a 30 carbine to 300mag and above with dozens of "cartridges in between.

Rant over!!!!!



My pet peeve (OK one of) Is the people who talk of the non existing 41 special. For those here that do not know there was not a 41 special, short or S&W or Colt or whatever before the 41 magnum. It was designed and brought out as the 41 magnum not a lengthened version of a 41 whatever.

Yes I am nit picking but some nits need picked

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The .41 Long Colt cartridge was created in 1877 for Colt's double-action "Thunderer" revolver.

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The 41 Colt,blackpowder round has been around since the 1870s.It also was loaded with a Heeled bullet,similar to our beloved 22 s,l,and lr,cartridges.

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Originally Posted by colt45
The 41 Colt,blackpowder round has been around since the 1870s.It also was loaded with a Heeled bullet,similar to our beloved 22 s,l,and lr,cartridges.


And as such had various case lengths thru its evolution to final offering. Ole Elmer liked it, saying it was a heap better than a .38 Spec. for personal defense. But Elmer always liked bigger...

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