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46 gr of TAC worked well with the 210 Sciroccos. Seems like I went to 48.5 with the 200 Hot Cor and SST, but accuracy evidently wasn't great (can't find a note) but I ended up using 2000MR and H4895 respectively.

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My accuracy went out the window with the 2000MR, nothing less than 2.5 inches. that was with four differenet charges and two differnt shooting sessions.

Do you feel the SST are stout enough for elk at ranges of 200+ yards?

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I haven't shot the SSTs into game so take it for what it's worth, but it's probably the one bullet I would not use on anything. They completely blow apart on anything I've shot at (soft rotting wood, stumps, phone books, etc). The 185 TTSX has been the easiest to get to shoot and they look like a magazine commercial no matter what I shoot them into. Another bullet that has pleasantly surprised me is the 200 Hot Cor.

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Yeah, I have been getting really good groups with the Fusion factory ammo (.75") and have read online of several people using them on elk and moose. The Fusions will be my back-up plan if powder or bullets or brass goes scarse this summer. I have a couple of boxes stowed away. They seemed to be he only factory stuff I can get anyways.

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I just purchased 140 rounds of amercan eagle 180gr its the least expensive at less than a buck a round.

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Was finally able to shoot across the chrono yesterday. It was a horrible day for shooting groups, VERY gusty. But the the 185 TTSXs were still solid, the 200 Hot Cor the best on average (.9" to 1.2") with some okay (considering conditions) groups from the others (1" to 1.3"). All rounds for the Kimber are at 2.815ish for magazine considerations. I was also trying different techniques with the Kimber so I'm sure there is plenty of room for improvement there. I did learn that the Kimber does not like to be fired off the bench with a bipod and no forend support. Rather lively at the bench shall we say...especially with the 210s. Here is what I saw: New Fed brass for most, all velocities are corrected to muzzle velocity.

Ruger Hawkeye 22":
180 BT, FED210, TAC, 48.5, (2795, 2802, 2795) 2797
210 Partition, Lapua Brass, FED210, LVR, 50, (2606, 2620, 2590) 2605
210 Partition, Lapua Brass, FED210, 2000MR, 52, (2584, 2581, 2585) 2583
210 Partition, Lapua Brass, FED215, 2000MR, 52, (2621, 2623, 2632) 2625
210 Scirocco II, Lapua Brass, FED210, LVR, 49, (2563, 2580, 2581) 2574
185 TTSX, BR2, 8208, 48, (2749, 2735, 2747) 2743
185 TTSX, BR2, 8208, 48.5, (2766, 2771, 2781) 2772
200 Hot Cor, BR2, 2000MR, 52, (-- , 2621, 2618) 2619
200 Hot Cor, FED210, 2000MR, 52, (2612, 2615, 2619) 2615

Kimber Montana 22":
185 TTSX, FED210, 8208, 47, (2663, 2667, 2673) 2667
185 TTSX, FED210, 8208, 47.5, (2703, 2689, --) 2696
210 Scirocco II, FED210, LVR, 49, (2595, 2596, 2600) 2597
210 Scirocco II, FED210, LVR, 48.5, (2594, 2590, 2594) 2592
210 Partition, FED210, 2000MR, 51.5, (2630, 2605, 2618) 2617
180 BT, FED210, 8208, 48, (2724, 2779, 2742) 2740
180 BT, FED210, 8208, 48.5, (--, 2773, --) 2773
200 Hot Cor, FED210, 8208, 46.5 (No chrono) (1.01")
200 Hot Cor, FED210, 8208, 47 (No chrono) (.9")
185 TTSX, 210FED, TAC, 48.5, (No chrono) (1")

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Just found this thread. Great info. Looking for an all around deer/hog bullet for my 338 fed. Shooting 200 ge sst's over imr 3031 right now. Killed a 120lb deer and a 200lb hog with it so far. Wasn't thrilled with bullet performance on the deer and I hit the hog right behind the eye. Not much of a test there. Looking at going with the 200gr accubonds or 185 tsx. How much will the tsx open up at 338 fed speed? My only fear with the tsx is not getting enough expansion on our small deer.

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What happened with the SST on the deer?

I'm sure the 185TTSX would be fine on deer but if you are worried about reliable expansion try the 180 Accubond.



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Would like to hear about the SST on game. My experience is with plinking. Got them to shoot real well with H4895 (~2660) but they literally turn to dust when they hit something. Almost to the point of being weird. Nothing but parts of a jacket and grey powder and tiny bits of grey material everywhere. I would guess the TSX or the AB would be great on deer and hogs. How does the 3031 work? I'm always looking for new things to fiddle with. H4895 is real good with 200gn bullets.

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Made a bad shot on the deer. Hit low and too far back on a deer that was quartering to me. The bullet exited between his legs. Threw what amounted to shrapnel through a ham. It worked but I would be worried on something bigger or badder, such as a big bore hog. Normally I head shoot the hogs unless I want the skull for a mount. If it's big enough to mount it's big enough to worry about the sst. Works for the deer around here, but I just don't trust it on a shoulder shot on a 300 lb pig

The rifle is a custom Savage with a #5 contour McGowen at 20 inches long. Light rail and Surefire light for Texas hogs at night. I don't remember my exact load but I think it's right around 44 grains of 3031 for 2585-2590 fps. Again, don't have my data in
frount of me so don't try that at home. I had better velocity and accuracy with the short barrel and 3031 than I did with H4895. I've got enough stuff to load for around the house so if I can find one bullet for deer and hogs that would be great. I mainly use the rifle for hogs but since its duracoated I sometimes use it for a foul weather deer gun, so I load that works better for hogs is what I'm after.
Thanks for the quick replies.

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Sounds like a pretty cool rifle. I tried to get Savage's new Model 11 lightweight hunter in 338 Fed but their custom shop wouldn't chamber in the Fed. Had to be something they already did in at least one other rifle. Thus, got a Kimber MT. The TSX/TTSX sounds like a good way to go to me. Or, if you're not worried about range, the 210 Partition would put the hurt on a big hog!

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Think I'm going to try the ttsx. I love the rifle. Short and handy but not too light.

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Well, I finally had a chance to test the 225 DeepCurl. I started out with 50 grains and worked up to 52 grains of Alliant 2000 MR. No pressure signs with any load.

50 gr- averaged 2480 fps
51 gr- averaged 2515 fps
52 gr- averaged 2538 fps

I also checked the 200 Hot Cor with 52 grains and it clocked right at 2550, a far cry from Alliant's published 2725 fps. 48 grains of R15 registered right around 2500 fps.

Based on tests, I think I have room to work up the Hot Cor to possibly 54 grains of 2000 MR ( I have a ton of Hot Cors).

I also need to load more of the Deepcurls and test for accuracy. I never thought the 338 Federal could approach 2550 fps with a 225 grain bullet. This combo appears to be a winner considering it's a bonded core, has a .491 BC, and costs the same as the 200 Hot Cor.



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The 225 Deep Curl would be an interesting load. That's not too bad of speeds at all. Would certainly put the hurt on something and the bullets should hold together very well at those speeds. I was no where near their published numbers with the 200gn either. 8208, H4895 & TAC are all much better for the 200s. Usually low to mid-2600s. I have some more 200 Hot Cors loaded up with 8208 I need to run through the chrono tomorrow. They've shown good accuracy (.9s in poor conditions), but didn't chono them yet.

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Got some 185 TTSX on the way. I have H4895, 8208, 3031, and RL-15 on hand. I think I can get some TAC at the range. Any sugestions on where to start for a short (20") barrel? How far off the lands are y'all seating them. Any suggested starting points would help as I've never shot all copper bullets before.
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Using the 185 TTSX I was .050 off with my Ruger and am waaaay off with the Kimber due to mag length restrictions. Both shoot well. Of those powders, I've only used 8208 with the 185 TTSX and really like it. I find 8208 and TAC both excellent. Probably a tad more velocity with TAC, but both comfortable in the low to mid 2700s. 8208 is supposedly extremely stable across temps, but TAC is supposedly good as well. My go to loads for each are 48gn 8208 and 48.5 TAC using 210 Fed primers and Fed brass. I've run them each higher but am comfortable where they are as far as velocity and they have been fired in high temps and fairly hot chambers with no pressure signs. Edit: those powder loads, while the OAL is different, work well is both my rifles. Oh, and your question about psi. The Barnes show less pressure than others I've found (I.e. 180 BT vs. 185 TTSX, the Barnes shows less psi signs at the same charge weight). Give yourself a buffer to work to 48ish.

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"Looking for what has worked for you, or not. Velocities, powders, barrel lengths, etc."

I love these "Give me your best load so I don't have to figger out what my rifle likes" threads; ten pages - so far - and no two are the same but all are correct ... for the poster! wink

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Originally Posted by boomtube
"Looking for what has worked for you, or not. Velocities, powders, barrel lengths, etc."

I love these "Give me your best load so I don't have to figger out what my rifle likes" threads; ten pages - so far - and no two are the same but all are correct ... for the poster! wink


I'm lazy, I already knew that, what's your point? grin

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I'm just trying to save money on bullets if I can

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Boom, I appreciate your sarcasism. But for me and I'm assuming others, it is great to see what others are doing and getting. Not having all day to mess around with loads and being relatively new to reloading (and not having a huge stockpile of powders lying around) it helps a lot see what powders are constantly popping up and what powders are being used without alotta published load data from manufact. And, maybe not for this thread, I like seeing how actual loads perform on actual game. Manufacturers website can blow all the smoke they want, but there is no substitute for first hand results, or in this case second hand accounts from those who did the tests. I heard all the BS about Barnes bullets performing at vel as low as 1600fps, but I have tested Barnes Org with an impact vel of about 2000 fps and got a bullet that simply went around corners, no mushroom. An ethical hunter should know his/her personal and gears limitations, and threads like this help in doing that.

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