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Sounds good to me. I'll definitely look for them and pick up a couple boxes to try. I really like the performance of the old 170 Win. Silvertips but they've gotten a little too pricey lately to make it worth the extra cost.

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The Winchester 150 grain PowerPoint HPs are likewise impressive but scarce as hen's teeth.




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If you haven't see a bullet deflect off bone in a deer you haven't looked at many wound channels in very many deer.

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I've seen a few incidences of bullet deflection but never happened to me personally with a .30-30. I read alot about surface "blow ups" on here but have always suspected that most of those were more likely incidences of deflection {ricochet} than actual blow ups.

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The purest form of a surface blow up I have ever seen was early in the life of the .243 my uncle let my dad shoot a deer with some fast hand loads. It was a nice buck and it was hit square on in the neck and should have passed through the neck bone. The deer dropped like a stone. When it got up and ran off after the neck cutting by another uncle it caused quite a commotion. My cousin and I had to go chase it down and when we got it it was of course quite dead. It had a fist size chunk of meat missing, and the bullet never made it to the spine. Never found any fragments or other path out of the deer, just that big divot of missing meat.

Probably the jacket and core just disintegrated right there. I shoot chipmunks with 35 grain VMaxs at about 3200 and they will only just barely scuff up a board under or behind the "volunteer", and usually the chipmunk is just about vaporized. I have shot quite a few out of the scrap lumber pile with a board underneath them and one within a foot or so behind. If you get the chipmunk, the boards will have minor scuffs at most. I have seen the same results with .243s and 55 grain VMaxs. I have only done a few direct comparisons with the .243 compared to dozens with the .223 though.

My conclusion has been that those bullets just come completely undone. The Nosler BT lead free usually leaves some tiny little sparkles of jacket and you might find a few tiny like #12 shot size copper BBs.

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If you want to say deflect then yea, but don't blow smoke up someone's butt that bullets bounce off.
A 1/4" tree limb will deflect a bullet's flight

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Originally Posted by saddlesore
If you want to say deflect then yea, but don't blow smoke up someone's butt that bullets bounce off.
A 1/4" tree limb will deflect a bullet's flight


Grow up you F-ing moron. Go shoot a tracer round through a willow swamp at night and tell me they don't bounce just like a ball. I have seen enough bullets hit rib and not break the rib, and leave at something approaching the angle of incidence that I have no question they can perform a very close approximation of a golf ball bouncing off concrete.

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I'd have to agree that small caliber V-max's are very fragile and if any bullet was going to completely blow up and cause a surface wound I'd be bettin' on those. I've shot them from my 17 HMR into 2 liter soda bottles filled with water and had them completely disintegtate inside with absolutely nothing penetrating the back side of the bottle. What gets me is when I hear this or that 100 gr .243, 130 gr .270 or 150 gr .308 bullet "blew up completely" on a rib and never entered the pleural cavity. I simply don't buy that and think it has to be deflection.

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I'd avoid the FTX in any caliber. They suck!


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The Nosler 170 grain Partition is a fine 30-30 bullet. The plain vanilla cup&core bullets usually work just fine though.


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Originally Posted by Swampman700
I'd avoid the FTX in any caliber. They suck!


Would you care to elaborate? I'd like to hear about your experiences with them and which calibers.

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They are a hollow points with a plastic nose. The just blow up on deer size game.


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Originally Posted by Blackheart
I'd have to agree that small caliber V-max's are very fragile and if any bullet was going to completely blow up and cause a surface wound I'd be bettin' on those. I've shot them from my 17 HMR into 2 liter soda bottles filled with water and had them completely disintegtate inside with absolutely nothing penetrating the back side of the bottle. What gets me is when I hear this or that 100 gr .243, 130 gr .270 or 150 gr .308 bullet "blew up completely" on a rib and never entered the pleural cavity. I simply don't buy that and think it has to be deflection.


Yeah, I think so too. There seems to be a bounce window. Maybe a better way to put it is that for a given bullet there seems to be a range of velocity and impact angle that will produce bounce. .22 LR olid nose seems to have a wide window. 30 caliber FMJ is extremely prone to bouncing and little VMaxs are so fragile they don't seem to bounce ever.

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I have a couple hundred of these coming my way to give a whirl. Can't imagine they won't work.

http://www.hornady.com/store/MonoFlex-Bullets-New


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They are fragile and expensive. The Core-Lokts work better.


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Tell me how an all copper bullet is fragile?

They ain't that expensive either


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That plastic nose makes them open to fast.


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The bullet, not you dipshitt


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Have you actually shot something with them?


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Originally Posted by Steelhead
I have a couple hundred of these coming my way to give a whirl. Can't imagine they won't work.

http://www.hornady.com/store/MonoFlex-Bullets-New


Crickey, those things ain't cheap, are they?

I'm interested to see how those work for you, Scott. I'd think they would penetrate like no tomorrow.


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