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Since I don't know all the facts of the case I will only make a general comment based on what I have read. I'll bet that each and every person on this board knows of laws that are unjust and should not exist. Just because a law is passed, it does not make the law correct. Civil disobediance is practiced all the time and I can't think of a better time to engage in it than when you are sitting on a jury. The jury is the average citizens last chance at real justice. It's way past time for the people to continue to tolerate laws that lean strongly to protect the bad guys. I can't sit here at the keyboard and judge this case but it seems clear to me that the robber started the chain of events and because of HIS actions, he is dead and the world is no doubt a better place. I won't pass legal judgement on the shooter but I really hope he is found not guilty by a panel of people that really care about true justice. If the DA feels pressure to prosecute the case, OK. That doesn't mean he has to do a very good job of it! Justice can be rendered in a variety of ways.

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Originally Posted by Penguin


I want to know what denomination you belong to that teaches such spiritual quackery. In each and every denomination I have studied or been a part of in the past, to intentionally and willfully fall short of this example is sin. Period.

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Denominational differences are not in the Bible. One if the biggest problems for Christians today is the denominational issue. This is how I look at it. The Bible is the handbook. Read it until you get a beginning understanding. Look at historical references to try to understand the customs and living conditions in the time the book was written. Make up your own mind. Prayer help, in fact it is key in finding understanding.

What this hot shot big named preacher has to say on a subject vs what that hot shot big named preacher has to say does not interest me at all. The bigger their hair and the louder the show the more I tune them out. The ones who arrive in their hundred million dollar building in a limousine I tune out before they can open their mouths.

The whole denominational thing makes me ill and usually just served to wreck havoc in God's plans. Scisims and isims are counterproductive to God's work.

Put all mans teachings out of your mind and pay attention to what God has to say, His Spirit will lead you. Then find a teacher wise in God's word and ask him your questions.


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My heart would be with him but if I had to serve on his jury in this state and the evidence came out just like in the story I would have to find him guilty. Not sure of the laws there but here it is an open and shut thing. It was a bad shoot.



Not me. I would not convict


If asked, would you give this answer in voir dire? And you would be asked if you could listen to the facts and apply the law to those facts? If "Not me, I would not convict" would be your preconceived stance, you'd be lying under oath to fail to disclose that.


Question is open to any that say they wouldn't convict...would you be truthful under oath?


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Originally Posted by Penguin
..... I want to know what Christian denomination teaches that shooting a man in the back of the head when he is fleeing the scene of a robbery is righteous. I want to know which one teaches that a man forfeits his life if he steals.


Who said the shooter was a "Christian"?

And if he wasn't, does that make the shoot good?


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If a man is protecting his house, his family or his property and had to shoot someone and I was on the Jury he would walk.


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At least he won't be robbing anybody anymore.

Put me on the jury.
Me too. A resounding "not guilty".

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I'm assuming this is West Virginia based on the names of the towns. If so then, yes, he is guilty of murder. You cannot run someone down from behind after a robbery and shoot them in the head. It isn't, and shouldn't be, legal.

I'm all for self defense but you have to actually be defending yourself in order to be within the law.

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Who said there is was any running involved. I don't think running should be against the law anyway. The robber ran. You got to run faster than 1300 fps though.

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Who said there is was any running involved. I don't think running should be against the law anyway. The robber ran. You got to run faster than 1300 fps though.
Again, from the original article:

"Once he took off with the money in the parking lot, reports indicate Canul, who has a concealed weapon permit, pulled out a gun and allegedly shot Abbot in the head. Abbot died at the Logan County Medical Center."

When it's reported that 'he took off', that means he's runnin'...


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lest we not forget the shooter was the victim.


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"He robbed me with a weapon and I feared for my life"!

All that needed to be stated by the shooter!!


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Originally Posted by .280Rem
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My heart would be with him but if I had to serve on his jury in this state and the evidence came out just like in the story I would have to find him guilty. Not sure of the laws there but here it is an open and shut thing. It was a bad shoot.



Not me. I would not convict


If asked, would you give this answer in voir dire? And you would be asked if you could listen to the facts and apply the law to those facts? If "Not me, I would not convict" would be your preconceived stance, you'd be lying under oath to fail to disclose that.


Question is open to any that say they wouldn't convict...would you be truthful under oath?


Crickets huh? Nobody willing to admit they'd lie under oath to sit on this jury? Otherwise, you'd never sit on a jury like this.


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Originally Posted by .280Rem
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My heart would be with him but if I had to serve on his jury in this state and the evidence came out just like in the story I would have to find him guilty. Not sure of the laws there but here it is an open and shut thing. It was a bad shoot.



Not me. I would not convict


If asked, would you give this answer in voir dire? And you would be asked if you could listen to the facts and apply the law to those facts? If "Not me, I would not convict" would be your preconceived stance, you'd be lying under oath to fail to disclose that.


Hey Jim! It's good to see you posting again. I haven't seen you in these parts in quite some time.

I have to confess that because of personal reasons I would be the last person a prosecutor would want in his jury. The amount of proof that I'd require would be considered "unreasonable" to most reasonable people.

That said, I'd have to be honest and tell them that straight up. It's not that I wouldn't uphold the law, but due to personal reasons I take "innocent until PROVEN guilty" to an extreme.


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Originally Posted by HugAJackass
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My heart would be with him but if I had to serve on his jury in this state and the evidence came out just like in the story I would have to find him guilty. Not sure of the laws there but here it is an open and shut thing. It was a bad shoot.



Not me. I would not convict


If asked, would you give this answer in voir dire? And you would be asked if you could listen to the facts and apply the law to those facts? If "Not me, I would not convict" would be your preconceived stance, you'd be lying under oath to fail to disclose that.


Hey Jim! It's good to see you posting again. I haven't seen you in these parts in quite some time.

I have to confess that because of personal reasons I would be the last person a prosecutor would want in his jury. The amount of proof that I'd require would be considered "unreasonable" to most reasonable people.

That said, I'd have to be honest and tell them that straight up. It's not that I wouldn't uphold the law, but due to personal reasons I take "innocent until PROVEN guilty" to an extreme.


No qualms with that. Hope all your military "stuff" worked out, or is getting worked out.


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Yes sir! I couldn't have done it without you. The firm you put me onto did a masterful job and I get to keep my retirement.


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Yes sir! I couldn't have done it without you. The firm you put me onto did a masterful job and I get to keep my retirement.


Glad to hear it!


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