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#5772245 - 11/02/11 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: fatjack34]  
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Originally Posted by fatjack34
UPDATE!
I couldn't resist. I got a pre-64 model 94 enroute chambered in....wait for it.....You guessed it, .32 Winchester Special!

I will be looking for born on date when it arrives!
Congrats. I have a pre-war 94 carbine in .32 Win Special myself. It's identical to the one I used to admire as a kid in the den of the father of a friend of mine. When I'd go to stay with them for a weekend, I'd love to go in there with my friend and handle that beautiful pre-war Winchester 94. His dad would just have it leaning on a piece of furniture or laying across his desk. He had a gun case filled (but for one empty spot) with lots of old classics (doubles, and such), but that 94 was always out. I guess he liked to handle it as much as I did.

When his dad died, many years later, I waited what I thought was an appropriate length of time, and asked him what happened to that rifle in the hopes of making an offer for it. He told me I was too late, that his mom already had it auctioned off. That's what I get for trying to wait a decent period of time after his death, out of respect, to inquire. Anyway, many years after that, I came across it's virtual double and immediately picked it up. Practically brand new in appearance, just like Mr. Brown's. Hell, for all I know, it's the very same gun.


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#5772367 - 11/02/11 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye]  
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At the time of it's introduction smokeless powders were not available to handloaders universally. Reloaders had to continue using black powder for the most part. An exception may have been gents like Whelen who had access to armoury supplies of smokeless. The 32 Special with it's 1/16 twist was the better ticket for black powder than the 30WCF and black powder complimented the very basic reloading tools commonly available. Think of the old tong type reloaders used without scales and sometimes without any form of measure being at hand. Fill the case by eyeball to the point a compressed load was certain and call it good sort of thing. I have a 1949 M64, 32Sp. which is a great cast bullet shooter and can get more velocity from a given alloy than I can with a 30WCF with maintained accuracy.

#5780932 - 11/04/11 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: stocker]  
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32 Special just makes things dead.

Dead is dead. There are no degrees of dead. Twist, velocity, muzzle energy, grain of bullet, etc., etc., etc.

You get shot with a 32 special you are going to be dead. What else is there?


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#5781744 - 11/04/11 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: 99guy]  
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Originally Posted by 99guy
32 Special just makes things dead.

Dead is dead. There are no degrees of dead. Twist, velocity, muzzle energy, grain of bullet, etc., etc., etc.

You get shot with a 32 special you are going to be dead. What else is there?


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#5781825 - 11/04/11 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: fatjack34]  
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It always amazes me how the wrong answer becomes right just because enough people say so, soon becoming the lore of the land!

However, the truth (despite lore) still is: In 1905, when the .32 Special became a production gun, no one was still shooting black powder in anything but fireworks! They were using .32-20 bullets to reload smokeless .32 Special though!

Lyman mold number 21297 was the foremost mold for reloading of the .32-40 in matches and also, being the same caliber, it could produce a 170 grain bullet for the .32 Special, what a coincidence? However so many people then were trying to shoot .318 (8mmJS) bullets in the .32 WS with black powder, that it never caught on that it was the same caliber diameter as the .32-20!

Now a hundred years later and people still have not caught on that smokeless powder and Lyman #21297 will shoot really well in a hard cast (1 in 16 barrel twist) in the .32 Special.

However, I guess that we will (in the year 2112) still be reading about how the .32 Special was designed to be shot with black powder, despite the FACT that no one still used black powder even in 1905 when the .32 Winchester Special was invented!


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#5781840 - 11/04/11 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: fatjack34]  
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Originally Posted by fatjack34
I am not a Winchester guy...for no reason other than when I started out, they were pretty pricey for a kid! I have nothing against them...I prefer Savage 99's, but Winchesters are neat.
I own a Model 100 pre-64 .308, but I am afraid to mention it in front of Loggah and Jed 1899 as they have shown GREAT disdain for the rifle!!!!

I am very intrigued by the 32 Winchester Special cartridge and in a model 94 or 64 for a rifle.

OK Winchester Men...what say you about the Winchester 32 Special cartridge in that rifle combo?



I have one from 1904 chambered thusly. Inherited it. I killed a doe with it on it's 100th birthday; factory ammo worked great!


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#5794465 - 11/09/11 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: Jeff_O]  
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#5798141 - 11/10/11 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: MPetrov]  
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That settles it.


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#5822941 - 11/17/11 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: 99guy]  
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Originally Posted by 99guy
32 Special just makes things dead.

Dead is dead. There are no degrees of dead. Twist, velocity, muzzle energy, grain of bullet, etc., etc., etc.

You get shot with a 32 special you are going to be dead. What else is there?


LOL...I was actually shot with one in a hunting accident way back in 1973....Didn't kill me but made me awful miserable !

#5823036 - 11/18/11 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: linemountain]  
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Glad you survived - that is a helluva way to get introduced to a cartridge!


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#5873505 - 12/02/11 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: linemountain]  
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Originally Posted by linemountain
Originally Posted by 99guy
32 Special just makes things dead.

Dead is dead. There are no degrees of dead. Twist, velocity, muzzle energy, grain of bullet, etc., etc., etc.

You get shot with a 32 special you are going to be dead. What else is there?


LOL...I was actually shot with one in a hunting accident way back in 1973....Didn't kill me but made me awful miserable !
Holy smoke linemountain, that is taking field tests a bit far!

#5873517 - 12/02/11 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: IdahoElkHunter]  
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I love my 1958-built 94 .32 WIN not just because it was my first big-game rifle, but it is beautiful to view and handle, and it is not just another 30-30.

I have in fact, reloaded it with blackpowder. Incredible the reduction in performance compared to smokeless, and a mess to clean up of course. But oh, the satisfaction of all that smoke!

#6010614 - 01/06/12 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: IdahoElkHunter]  
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Should you "need" probably the rarest factory made 32 Win.Special---- call the Cabela's Gun Library in Boise,Id. Remington-Lee in Orig.Stock..still there last week,Ask if over $ 2 K...I thought my Rem-Lee in 30/30 was rare enuff,but doubt if they every made ten in 32 Sp...Idabull

#6010803 - 01/06/12 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: Idabull]  
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I had a Remington-Lee in .30/40 and one in .38/55. They have always held some appeal to me. There was a minty one in .405 on auction a couple years ago - RIA I think and I really drooled over that one. I had looked at the pictures of the .32 spl. Cabela's had - something was wrong with the stock IIRC.



#6015193 - 01/08/12 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: boltman]  
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I have 2 pre war 84 in 32WS. I also have 3 94's in 30/30. But the 32's hold a special place for me and are the lever actions I reach for when I want to shoot my lever actions. Both of my grandfathers hunted 32's their entire lives and took countless deer and elk with them. My Dad and Mom as well as their siblings hunted with and shot their first big game with those same 32's. Because of the nostalgia associated with that caliber in the Winchester 94 I have a real soft spot for it.


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#6043086 - 01/14/12 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: M1Tanker]  
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I had several relatives (including myself) hunt with .32 specials when I was younger. No one was interested in hunting with a .30-30. Yes, I have a special spot too.



#6514546 - 05/18/12 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: boltman]  
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My first post here. I had a Winchester Model 94 Saddle Ring Carbine in 32 WS that was build in 1922. About 3 years ago, that gun along with about 30 other rifles, assault rifles, shotguns and handguns were stolen, along with the safe they were in. Sad day as that Winchester belonged to my Granfather, who received it as a gift from one of the many men he helped who worked at a local CCC camp during the Great Depression. It had two notches on the forgrip for two Michigan state champion bucks it shot.

About a year ago, I cam across a new Model 94 (full rifle) in an Angle Eject model (I can attach a scope) - in 32 Winchester Special. It was new in box, though it was build in 1982. It's a great rifle, but I've yet to find scope rings that fit the top of the rifle properly.

This buck was shot at 270 yards from an upright sitting position and no rifle sling.
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I love the 32WS cartridge and I'm more of the opinion that the rifle cartridge was designed purely for an improvement over the 30-30 toward a higher muzzle velocity and flatter trajectory. See this article here. http://www.levergun.com/articles/special.htm

You definately feel the extra muzzle velocity over the 30-30 and I have the ruptured capilaries in my shoulder to prove it! After shooting a box of ammo, I'm whimpering prior to pulling the tringger in anticipation of the punishment!

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#6514600 - 05/18/12 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: TexasMoose]  
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Very nice Sir.


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#6515116 - 05/18/12 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: fatjack34]  
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I have been told that the 32 Win Spl was designed to shoot cast lead bullets more accurately than the 30-30 or 25-35. The larger, 0.320", bore and slower ROT made it (sort of) a modernized 32-40 and the 32-40 was (sort of) the 6mm PPC of its day.

I once owned a minty Marlin 336 SD, the deluxe sporting carbine, in 32 Win Spl for awhile and have had seller's remorse going on 22 years now. I still own a minty late 1940s or early 1950s vintage Winchster 94, SN 15783xx.

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#6521492 - 05/20/12 Re: 32 Winchester Special [Re: 260Remguy]  
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Here's Winchester's intro add for the 32. Notice the support for black powder for the old guys who reloaded.
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