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seems that some feel the need to convince themselves and others that their choices, and their stuff is the absolute best available, and that no other choice has merit, in any sense...
i've seen some who, if in the course of a debate began to doubt that their choice was the ultimate best, would jump ship, sell out and start over... sucks to be them, i guess...
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LOL...ahhh what a simple life in the days when all one needed to do to change how much powder one burned, was to just add more...or less....of Black Powder down the muzzle! No worry about headstamps, brass, etc. etc. No need to buy another rifle. No worry about what scope to mount, and what mounts to mount it in, or what stock to put your bbl/action in. Heck - some came with triggers that would put many of today's lawyer/litigation proof triggers to shame. Man.....always chasing....what he does not have  Yep, keeping man on that Journey IS Capitalism in it's finest form. Sure beats stagnation. Thank GOD I don't have to hunt with a 30-06/180 Corelokts and an El Paso K4!!!
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It will survive just fine to those with the mindset of what it is...
Yes,I have one and also own a .260,6.5X55,.264 and even a 6.5X57.Is it better then these rounds? some ways Yes.I've had bad luck the last two years with new guns,but determined to try the new Hawkeye,I'm happy! The gun shoots well,factory ammo is fanstastic and the handloads are very responsive.
The Hawkeye is a departure of sorts for me,as I am a big fan of carbines,this has a 26"barrel,but not heavy and makes for a stable clear-cut rifle,which I have a chance to hunt this year.I see it no different than any "wildcat" out there without the PIA of making up stuff.Been there,done with it...If I wasn't willing to try something new,I would have stopped with the .270 45 years ago....rifle
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When in my 20's I hunted for a while with an older guy who was convinced that everything he chose was perfect. In a way he was right, since his hunting arsenal consisted of a pre-'64 Model 70 in .30-06, a 12-gauge pumpgun and a tube-magazine bolt-action .22.
Eventually, however, I grew a little weary of hearing about his practically perfect life, and incredible suspicion of everything that varied from it. Like the smart-azz I was (and still can be on occasion), I said: "Gee, if everybody in the world thought just like you, it would get a little crowded in your house, wouldn't it?"
He didn't get it.
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Barry - the 6BR IIRC, has won/wins from 300-600 meters. And taken many records to 1,000.
My point is that nobody goes to Walmart and buys 6BR ammo or 6BR rifles. In fact, I doubt that 90% of guys pulling triggers have ever even heard of it. Does that matter? No, that isn't the point of the cartridge. Give the Creed time. At least Dennis DeMille is popping it's caps. If there are any records left for him to break, he will probably do it with the Creed.
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Mule Deer...I've met that guy.
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Thank you everyone for your responses. Some very interesting views on the matter and I appreciate your expertise. This particular cartridge has been on my mind since I first heard about it and I wanted some real world advice.
Thank you.
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For the most part these conversations drive me nuts. For instance, the .338 RCM was such an offense to the people who owned and shot .338-06's and .338 Win Mags. So what?! It wasn't intended for you! But for somebody who has always loved the concept of the .338 bullet diameter is was great to have another option to choose from when I gave up on my .338 Win Mag that I couldn't get to shoot and started looking for another .338 diameter cartridge. It IS a very relevant chambering for the person who wants to go a bit bigger in weight and diameter than anything they currently have.
The same goes for every new cartridge that comes along. If you have something similar, few people will chide you for not selling what you have to go get what is new. But when looking for something new, it is GREAT to have so much to choose from and are able to get EXACTLY what you feel you need or simply want.
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For the most part these conversations drive me nuts. For instance, the .338 RCM was such an offense to the people who owned and shot .338-06's and .338 Win Mags. So what?! It wasn't intended for you! But for somebody who has always loved the concept of the .338 bullet diameter is was great to have another option to choose from when I gave up on my .338 Win Mag that I couldn't get to shoot and started looking for another .338 diameter cartridge. It IS a very relevant chambering for the person who wants to go a bit bigger in weight and diameter than anything they currently have.
The same goes for every new cartridge that comes along. If you have something similar, few people will chide you for not selling what you have to go get what is new. But when looking for something new, it is GREAT to have so much to choose from and are able to get EXACTLY what you feel you need or simply want. ......Drives me almost nuts too. Usually when new rounds are intro`d, here come the critics. "Un-needed",,,,"won`t last",,,,"too many now in this caliber diameter",,,,"too many now in that caliber diameter",,,,"somebody`s pockets are gettin lined",,,,"why for"....."this sucks and that sucks"....and on and on we go. It is almost as though that with any new addition, they feel that their long time favorite round in the same caliber is threatened in some fashion. Probably the best and most famous example of that, was the introduction of 375 Ruger. Other examples include the WSMs and RCMs. If a very limited "some" on this forum had their way, the selection of perceived "needed" cartridges made available to the marketplace without a doubt, would be absolutely "slim pickings" boring.
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I guess the other side of the coin, and one of which many folks grow weary, is the advertising of each new innovation as an "improvement" when in reality it is merely an alternative choice. What is true from one side is also true from the other.
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I guess the other side of the coin, and one of which many folks grow weary, is the advertising of each new innovation as an "improvement" when in reality it is merely an alternative choice. What is true from one side is also true from the other. ..........In some cases that probably was and is true. However, don`t forget about those new rifle formats for those new cartridges. Hornady for example touted the new 338 RCM as equal in performance to 24" barreled 338 Wins when fired from the new 20" barreled M77 Hawkeyes.....Well "NOT" exactly. But with that stated, the newer M77s chambered in the 338 RCM, offers a new and refreshing rifle format for those who wished for a shorter and somewhat handier rifle but nevertheless still very potent. Better ballistics no, but it was another rifle alternative. When it came to the 375 Ruger, any perceived advertising hype from Hornady and Ruger where shorter barreled ballistics was concerned in duplicating longer tubed H&H performance, was in fact very true. Just as with the 338 RCM, there came a new shorter rifle format alternative (Alaskan) for the 375 Ruger.
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I like new stuff. Where did I ever go wrong?
Has anybody chambered a 7mm Creedmoor?
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Has anybody chambered a 7mm Creedmoor? ...............You can be the first.
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It's been done long ago. Elgin Cates dubbed it the 7mm IHMSA
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To really stir the chitt pot some more, here is what Hornady needs to commercially do imo. They may be already doing so, but I don`t know.
How about a 338 Ruger based on the "actual" 375 Ruger casing?
How about a 300 Ruger based on the "actual" 375 Ruger casing?
Then they can produce those same 20" barreled M77 Hawkeyes that they now do for the 338 RCM, and produce new rifles chambered in those two above as well.
Then, from a 20" barrel the 338 Ruger will more than likely equal and exceed the velocities of the 24" 338 Wins, where the 20" barreled 338 RCMs fell behind.
Talk about pissing off the 300 and 338 establishments? Oh the crap would fly.
From the 375 Ruger casing, they already went to the 416 Ruger, so why not have some more fun and go with a 300 and 338 too?
Afterall, those two new additions "would certainly not" be needed!........LMAO!
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To really stir the chitt pot some more, here is what Hornady needs to commercially do imo. They may be already doing so, but I don`t know.
How about a 338 Ruger based on the "actual" 375 Ruger casing?
How about a 300 Ruger based on the "actual" 375 Ruger casing?
Afterall, those two new additions "would certainly not" be needed!........LMAO! Let's see... The .338 Ruger based on the .375 Case... That would be: the .33 NewtonThe .30/.375 Ruger would be the: (Drum Roll, please...) .30 Newton. Gee, just when you think you've found something new... You find out it's been thought of 95 years ago... I've read somewhere that Charles Newton was a bit ahead of his time...   While they're at it, could we please have a factory load for the .35 Newton... Then I wouldn't have to form brass... GH
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To really stir the chitt pot some more, here is what Hornady needs to commercially do imo. They may be already doing so, but I don`t know.
How about a 338 Ruger based on the "actual" 375 Ruger casing?
How about a 300 Ruger based on the "actual" 375 Ruger casing?
Afterall, those two new additions "would certainly not" be needed!........LMAO! Let's see... The .338 Ruger based on the .375 Case... That would be: the .33 NewtonThe .30/.375 Ruger would be the: (Drum Roll, please...) .30 Newton. Gee, just when you think you've found something new... You find out it's been thought of 95 years ago... I've read somewhere that Charles Newton was a bit ahead of his time... While their at it, could we please have a factory load for the .35 Newton... Then I wouldn't have to form brass... GH ...............I realize the 375 Ruger is based on the much older Newton case. Nobody else had the fore-sight like Hornady and Ruger, to use the old Newton design, tweak it a little, and re-name it the 375 Ruger. There`s nothing wrong with innovating something new based on a 95 year old case design and then re-naming it accordingly. So what and more power to `em. If added, the market place will either accept the 300 Ruger and a 338 Ruger if both so named, or they`ll reject one or both of them.
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I wish somebody would commercialize my favorite 6.5...the 6.5-06. I would definitely buy one of those. I had one a number of years ago but it went to pay for bills during tough times.
Oh, wait, ain't that the .256 Newton???
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I wish somebody would commercialize my favorite 6.5...the 6.5-06. I would definitely buy one of those. I had one a number of years ago but it went to pay for bills during tough times.
Oh, wait, ain't that the .256 Newton??? .....Yes it is, but oh wait, ain`t you forget`n a little something too??....:D If Hornady does come out with a 300 and 338 Ruger based on the 375 Ruger case, the case diameter will be greater than that of the 6.5/06, which is based on the 30-06 case dimension. 375 Ruger casings have larger diameters. So while it is based on the Newton design, the case dimensions are different....
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When in my 20's I hunted for a while with an older guy who was convinced that everything he chose was perfect. In a way he was right, since his hunting arsenal consisted of a pre-'64 Model 70 in .30-06, a 12-gauge pumpgun and a tube-magazine bolt-action .22.
Eventually, however, I grew a little weary of hearing about his practically perfect life, and incredible suspicion of everything that varied from it. Like the smart-azz I was (and still can be on occasion), I said: "Gee, if everybody in the world thought just like you, it would get a little crowded in your house, wouldn't it?"
He didn't get it. If we all had just one standard cartridge rifle and bought a box of shells every couple of years, the whole industry would go under. I say this while I try to figure out how to get a bigger safe in here, because I've overfilled the one I've got.
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