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Yep, i knew the .256 Newton didn't share the same case as the bigger Newt's. I was just trying to add another unneeded cartridge to the 6.5 crowd and realized it too had been done before.

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Probably need to ask the question in 30-40 years. Cartridges sometimes take 20 or more years to gain popularity, i.e. the 270 Win. Frequently cartridges will almost disappear from the landscape only to be resurected to great popularity. The 41 Mag, 358 Win, 264 win, 350 Rem Mag and a few others from time to time. One never knows what John Q. Gun looney will buy.


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Didn't read the entire thread, but, the way the writers in the gun mags are singing it's praises, you'd think its the end all of cartridges.
They'd have us believe that without it , we may as well not bother hunting.
'Course that's typical.

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Originally Posted by TBREW401
Didn't read the entire thread, but, the way the writers in the gun mags are singing it's praises, you'd think its the end all of cartridges.
They'd have us believe that without it , we may as well not bother hunting.
'Course that's typical.


Oh ,horsechit.

Gunwriters are merely explaining it's virtues. It's called writing. It's funny that annoys you since nobody is putting a gun to your head to read them.

I have never seen a writer yet that claimed the 6.5 Creedmoor should replace anything.

Your gun writer "hate" is showing.

Grow up.

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Originally Posted by TBREW401
Didn't read the entire thread, but, the way the writers in the gun mags are singing it's praises, you'd think its the end all of cartridges.
They'd have us believe that without it , we may as well not bother hunting.
'Course that's typical.


There inlies the problem "not reading" all the thread. I have yet to see anything written that claims it to be the "second coming". The writers wrote THEIR take on the caliber,nothing more,nothing less. I own one and it was one of the ones written about,nothing special,'cept it does do what was written about. It was not a hand-picked special,but bought by the writer in a retail shop....


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Originally Posted by TBREW401
Didn't read the entire thread, but, the way the writers in the gun mags are singing it's praises, you'd think its the end all of cartridges.
They'd have us believe that without it , we may as well not bother hunting.
'Course that's typical.


So, what's wrong with that?
I built a 30-284, hunted with a Roberts AI, I even attempted to develop a short action magnum during the 80's and Jamison beat me too it so I bought and kilt a bull moose with a 300WSM. I could continue but the point is I like things a little different. I like to cut my own trail. I do run into a problem occasionly. Somebody has already walked on the same ground but I go there anyway. The 6.5 Creedmoor is proving to be a great gun filling a certain nitch. Gun writers who see it as a legitimate tool have it right. Will it survive? Dunno, but I'd like one.

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Will it survive? Dunno, but I'd like one.


So would I.
I've got a perfectly serviceable Rem MR in 7mm08 and there's a little voice in the back of my head that keeps saying. "Pull the tube and replace it with one in 6.5 Creed..."

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Be the best thing that ever happened to that Remington...
did I say that really..LOL


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Originally Posted by Mark R Dobrenski
I'm for betting that it won't last long commercially. But could be wrong and then some, have been b4.

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My three favorite cartridges are the 220 Swift, the 30-06 and the 358 Winchester. Oh well, 1 out of 3 (successes) can't be bad. Heck, even a .333 batting average is considered good.

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I'm curious why nobody has ever come out with a .270-308 (or .270 Creedmore, if there's a difference)? Why is everything 6.5mm or 7mm?

I can understand why the 6.5 Creedmore was 6.5. There were a lot of available match bullet choices in that caliber and the round was intended for High Power target shooting under NRA rules. But that shouldn't apply to hunting bullets where there are probably more good choices in.270.

I wonder how the .270 WSSM is selling.


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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
I'm curious why nobody has ever come out with a .270-308 (or .270 Creedmore, if there's a difference)? Why is everything 6.5mm or 7mm?


Because it's a MATCH cartridge. It's the high BC/weight ratio of 6.5 cal match slugs. The Creedmoor was just a furtherance of the entire effectiency concept by designing the case around the .308 length mag box and match 140g 6.5 slugs.

Originally Posted by IndyCA35

I can understand why the 6.5 Creedmore was 6.5. There were a lot of available match bullet choices in that caliber and the round was intended for High Power target shooting under NRA rules. But that shouldn't apply to hunting bullets where there are probably more good choices in.270.


You just answered your own question. Hunting rounds are about power and velocity for longer point blank ranges- not about efficiency in shooting many shots during the course of a match with less recoil. Nothing is stopping anyone from making their own .270 Creedmoor Wildcat if they want to. wink Besides, the selection of 6.5 hunting slugs is just as good as that available for the .270 anyway.


Originally Posted by IndyCA35

I wonder how the .270 WSSM is selling.


I have no idea, since there IS NO SUCH THING. wink
The .270 WSM however, is doing just fine.

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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
I'm curious why nobody has ever come out with a .270-308 (or .270 Creedmore, if there's a difference)? Why is everything 6.5mm or 7mm?


ask Mark Doberenski... he has talked about it IIRC... maybe call it the 6.8 DOBERmoor...

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I can understand why the 6.5 Creedmore was 6.5. There were a lot of available match bullet choices in that caliber and the round was intended for High Power target shooting under NRA rules. But that shouldn't apply to hunting bullets where there are probably more good choices in.270.


i dunno about that... the .270 has made most of it's rep with the 130 bullet... there's a ton of .26s in the same weight range that'll do any and every thing that a .27 will...

at the end of the day, one cartridge does pretty much what the other will... there'll always be those who obsess over the most insignificant details, but even most of them i think, would prefer to simply use what they have more often...

i'm pretty fond of my small collection of hunting rifles and can find use for all of them... i do not, when hunting, worry about the rifle or the cartridge that i'm carrying... i pay attention to the wind, the sun, the game and how i'll use any opportunities given to me to take it...


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Myself, I love just about anything in a 6.5 bore...unless it is a Mag case, which I see as overkill...

I seem to walk off the beaten path anyway...

I am just happy with the 260, but am glad that the other rounds are on the market..

for hunting, I find more and more that I just use load data from the Hodgdon # 26 Manual, for all the pistol silhouette data, for the 6.5 IHSHa ( or whatever all those letters are)...

A piece of 22.250 brass once got mixed in with my brass for the 260.. and ended up with a 107 grain Matchking in it...I thought it looked pretty cool and efficient...

I have more fun at the load bench and going to the range and testing it out... than arguing 100 to 200 fps difference on line..

I've found the difference between 100 to 200 fps is usually adjusted with a couple of clicks on the old elevation knob and suddenly is a non issue...

Those load data info for the 6.5 IHSMA ( whatever) for the pistol guys, more than works well in a 22 inch rifle...for distances of 250 to 300 yds...

In fact, I am now leaning to spend my time and attention thinking a nifty hunting rifle would be with an 18 inch tube, heavy magnum contour, with a shortened stock by an inch or 1.5 inches...or even a varmint contour barrel in the 17 to 18 inch range..

chambered in a 260, or whatever.. as I really don't care as much as I handload...

but truth be known, where I hunt locally... a good old 30/30 would still suffice...

older I get, practical utility becomes more important to me than anything else..

what has impressed me most in the last year in the shooting dept wasn't some magazine article, or a new caliber, rifle etc...

it was a guy I met at our local range this summer, when they had the pistol silhouette matches this summer...from So Cal..

he told me he settled on the 6mm and 6.5 bore world... and goes out and shoots between 8,000 to 10,000 rounds a year..

lucky dog! That impressed me the most, to be able to have the finances and opportunity...I should live so long..


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The .270/.308 aka .270 Redding has been around a long time. The 6.5 bore is where a lot of desirable characteristics in a shoulder fired cartridge converge. Anything close is close. I like the .260-don't have a Creedmore but I would like it too. Got a 6.5x42 AR-6.5s rule. PH

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PH - do tell '42?'...what case?

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jim62, I don't hate any writers, fact is I enjoy the writing of most of them.
Just stating an opinion.
I like the 6.5. Have a swede, don't see the need for another.
Don't really think the Credmore will do anything a Swede won't.

I also understand they are in business to sell magazines. Hell, I buy a bunch of em.

If you want one, but one. I don't care either way.

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65BR-Well it is really a 42.5mm-just the 6.8 SPC necked down with 30* shoulder-no other changes. It is Mike Milli's design he calls the 6.5 DTI. Hope to check it out on the local whitetail herd soon. PH

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TBREW401,

Yeah, the 6,5 Creedmoor will do things the 6.5x55 won't. First, the cartridges fit in a 2.8" magazine. Second, they're short enough, with a long enough neck, to allow flexibility in seating long 140-grain match bullets.

Those are the two reasons it was developed, not to replace the 6.5x55. Apparently that's a difficult concept for many shooters to grasp.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
TBREW401,
Those are the two reasons it was developed, not to replace the 6.5x55. Apparently that's a difficult concept for many shooters to grasp.


I agree! Some people just like a short action. Who cares how I feel about short actions vs. long actions. If someone likes the SA better that doesn't mean my LA isn't any good (or the other way around). Good for them that they can get what they want!

The problem is we speak dogmatically about our preferences.

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Originally Posted by TBREW401


If you want one, but one. I don't care either way.


You must care..

Otherwise why bother to post the anti- 6.5 Creedmoor rant in your first post here?


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