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Do real Albertans (not the politicians or big oilmen) think this is a good or bad deal for Alberta?

It's a good deal for a lot of people, not just Albertans.

I work for TCPL who in putting in the Keystone XL pipeline.

There are a lot of misconceptions and fear mongering going on with people who dont know the facts.

The way I see it is that Americans need oil and there isnt any relief of that in the near future.

Do they want to buy it from the A-Rabs or from Venezuela?

Piplelines are definately a prefered method for transporting crude, gas, etc.

Even some dude at GreenPeace said pipelines were better than oil tankers on the ocean.

I would like us to build a few more large refineries here in Canada, but other than that, get that hose built, and turn the tap on!

R.

I've done the research, I know the facts, I've written reports that have shut pipelines down. I'm not a fan. Saying a pipeline is safer than a tanker is like saying it's better to be shot with a 270 than an '06. At least that's how it is in my neck of the woods. Then again we have mountains, landslides, places so remote that you can't access by any other way than by helicopter and way too many vital fish bearing streams to cross.

Count me in the 'not a fan' group

Does Canada import much gasoline, deisel and other refining products?

How does this pipeline differ from the one in Alaska? That one is pretty remote, crosses vital fish streams and has plenty of tectonic events to endure.

In a word, yes. We export raw materials, and import finished goods. We, as a country, should take on a greater manufacturing role, when it comes to large scale useage, such as fuels. We seem to be quite relunctant to build large scale refineries here.

R.

Where are the imported products coming from? In hindsight it is probably good that refineries have not been built. A tough business for the Americas to compete in anymore. And it will get tougher unless there is a nitch market or they are mega-complexes. I know we were trying to sell or close our Sarnia refinery for that reason. I spent 5 years in Calgary helping to manage the AOSP Upgrader Expansion in Ft.Sask. No question the pipeline will be good for Canada's ecomony.

Far rather than near sightedness should be used here. Exortation of raw materials puts us at the mercy of middle men. We have lost much of our manufacturing business and many Canadians are out of work, I believe we should use our own raw materials to manufacture goods for domestic consumption so we get off the one world merry go round that ties us to other countries economies.

When the US economy went in the dumps, our goods were not competitive and so our manufacturing hit the skids. Where I live fully half the autos seen are foreign ie. not domestically produced. These vehicles are mported with minimal if any import taxes and so our own auto companies lay off and shut down plants. People are way too happy to save a little money, put neibours out of work, pay heavier taxes and support an economy in a foreign land.

My Sunday morning rant about buying locally made products.

Randy

+1

Like a couple of CZ rifles?

I also own CIL If Canadian made were available they would be first choice. Both my vehicles were manufacyured in Canada by CAW workers. So will the next one be.

I must say that the cost of project execution up there was darn high when compared to ANY of our metrics elsewhere in the world including the US. This a combination of marginal productivity as well as high labor rates. Tough place to execute is what we found which is why we backed off further expansions. Oil needs to be firmly high in price for us to restart I believe.

Canada certainly has the expertise to build and run refineries in Canada. In fact, Canadian engineers and technical workers build them in other countries. It is foolish to export oil and buy it back as a refined product; just as it is foolish to export logs and import lumber. GD

You're right!

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Wish our government could put that together.

I know we have the expertise to build and run refineries but nobody is stepping up to the plate to come up with 50-70 billion dollars to pay for a plant.

As a TCPL employee I know our business is providing the intrastructure not the actual refining.

I think we brand ourselves as an "infrastructure services" company and not an "oil company".

If they took three of my Hydro bills from Ontario, they could build the darn refinery debt free.

This thing will cross our state and the Ogallala Aquifer which is the life blood of Nebraska agriculture.No corporation can guarantee the safety of a pipeline but continue to spin all sorts of "How Goods" this will be for jobs and local economies.My big question is what happens to the oil once it arrives on US soil?? and who's to say it'll be a bargain and not sold on the open market as international prices dictate? There's plenty of oil but refineries and their limited production are a major contribution to so called shortages which are total BS! Speculators,controlled production and OPEC are the three sisters in the ongoing fleecing of Global economies,I can't be convinced otherwise....

One of the other things that I find kind of interesting is that IF Canada was to build an oil refinery to process the oilsands coming out of Fort Mac, what happens with the finished product?

Doesnt it need to go somewhere..somehow?...say..maybe like by "pipeline".

As far as the Ogallala Aquifer, how many other pipesline are currently strung across it? I remember seeing a picture of the state of Nebraska showing all the currently pipelines and it looked like a damn spiderweb.

It would be interesting to know how many farmers currently dispose of thier old tractor oil but dumping it in the weeds somewhere.

I'm willing to be it's a lot more than we'd think.