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Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader bigblock455 #5693513 10/09/11 Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,330 Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,330 That's because you guys load them too heavy. Typical novice mistake. 1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983 919th Special Operations Wing 1983-1985 1993-1994 "Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader slg888 #5693514 10/09/11 Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,330 Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,330 Originally Posted by slg888 Don't buy him a CVA or Traditions. They're not safe. Good advise.... 1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983 919th Special Operations Wing 1983-1985 1993-1994 "Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader Swampman700 #5693710 10/09/11 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,102 Knoxville,TN S slg888 Campfire Outfitter slg888 Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,102 Knoxville,TN Originally Posted by Swampman700 Originally Posted by slg888 Buy a CVA or Traditions. They're safe. Good advise.... +1

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader bigblock455 #5693794 10/09/11 Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 625 Upstate NY H Hawken Campfire Regular Hawken Campfire Regular H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 625 Upstate NY Originally Posted by bigblock455 true, even my old tc new englander was a cheek slapper. No where near as bad as the tc hawken i had. holy mother that thing was horrible for smacking you right under the eye socket. I think i fired a total of 2 or 3 shots before i cleaned it and resold it LOL. Gotta admit, with a stout load my .54 has slapped my face once or twice. Not unbearable or even more painful then the recoil felt at my shoulder. I am an N.R.A. Life Member,you should be to.

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader slg888 #5693838 10/09/11 Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,330 Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,330 Originally Posted by slg888 CVA or Traditions either one, they are junk. Listen novice, your going to get someone hurt. Spanish made muzzleloaders are junk and I would never adise anyone to buy a pipebomb. 1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983 919th Special Operations Wing 1983-1985 1993-1994 "Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader Hawken #5693840 10/09/11 Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,330 Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,330 Originally Posted by Hawken Gotta admit, with a stout load my .54 has slapped my face once or twice. 60 grains of 3f is plenty. Don't over load them. 1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983 919th Special Operations Wing 1983-1985 1993-1994 "Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader Swampman700 #5694061 10/09/11 Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 625 Upstate NY H Hawken Campfire Regular Hawken Campfire Regular H Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 625 Upstate NY Originally Posted by Swampman700 Originally Posted by Hawken Gotta admit, with a stout load my .54 has slapped my face once or twice. 60 grains of 3f is plenty. Don't over load them. I now prefer 80. When I first bought it, I subscribed to the theory that more is better, for a few years I was actually loading 120 grains of powder to push a 435 grain maxi-ball.... I am an N.R.A. Life Member,you should be to.

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader Swampman700 #5694105 10/09/11 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,102 Knoxville,TN S slg888 Campfire Outfitter slg888 Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,102 Knoxville,TN Originally Posted by Swampman700 Listen novice, your going to get someone hurt. Thompson centerfire muzzleloaders are junk and I would never adise anyone to buy a pipebomb. Wow, I thought they were all decent quality.

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader slg888 #5694123 10/09/11 Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,330 Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,330 Originally Posted by slg888 Originally Posted by Swampman700 Listen novice, your going to get someone hurt. Spanish made muzzleloaders are junk and I would never adise anyone to buy a pipebomb. Wow, I thought they were all decent quality. When have you ever thought? 1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983 919th Special Operations Wing 1983-1985 1993-1994 "Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader Hawken #5694144 10/09/11 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,102 Knoxville,TN S slg888 Campfire Outfitter slg888 Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,102 Knoxville,TN Originally Posted by Swampman700 Gotta admit, Micheal Waldell with a stout load has slapped my face once or twice. Now it makes sense. Last edited by slg888; 10/09/11.

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader Swampman700 #5694216 10/09/11 Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,227 Colorado M Mauser_Hunter Campfire Tracker Mauser_Hunter Campfire Tracker M Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,227 Colorado Originally Posted by Swampman700 That's because you guys load them too heavy. Typical novice mistake. I didn't load it too heavy, but your novice assumptions are comical. Do you ever make a positive post? Money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you a hunting license and that's pretty close.

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader Mauser_Hunter #5694389 10/09/11 Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 533 Utah H Hydrashocker OP Campfire Regular OP Hydrashocker Campfire Regular H Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 533 Utah So in here I have seen Thompson Center and CVA is Spanish or out of country, so how do I know what is made in America, cause that's what I would like to buy????? All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader Hydrashocker #5694402 10/09/11 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 3,251 Colorado B bigblock455 Campfire Tracker bigblock455 Campfire Tracker B Joined: May 2007 Posts: 3,251 Colorado lol loaded them to heavy? 90gr pyrodex rs an a 295gr powerbelt is not heavy. Just poor stock design. https://bs-bp.forumotion.com/

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader Hydrashocker #5694487 10/09/11 Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,227 Colorado M Mauser_Hunter Campfire Tracker Mauser_Hunter Campfire Tracker M Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,227 Colorado Originally Posted by Rustin So in here I have seen Thompson Center and CVA is Spanish or out of country, so how do I know what is made in America, cause that's what I would like to buy????? TC and Knight are made in the US. Money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you a hunting license and that's pretty close.

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader Mauser_Hunter #5694573 10/09/11 Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,330 Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,330 Originally Posted by Old_Hunter Originally Posted by Swampman700 That's because you guys load them too heavy. Typical novice mistake. I didn't load it too heavy, but your novice assumptions are comical. Do you ever make a positive post? Not about novices who give out dangerous and faulty info. 1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983 919th Special Operations Wing 1983-1985 1993-1994 "Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader Swampman700 #5694691 10/09/11 Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,227 Colorado M Mauser_Hunter Campfire Tracker Mauser_Hunter Campfire Tracker M Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,227 Colorado Originally Posted by Swampman700 Originally Posted by Old_Hunter Originally Posted by Swampman700 That's because you guys load them too heavy. Typical novice mistake. I didn't load it too heavy, but your novice assumptions are comical. Do you ever make a positive post? Not about novices who give out dangerous and faulty info. Well, recommending 60gr of powder for elk doesn't show much experience on your part. Money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you a hunting license and that's pretty close.

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader Mauser_Hunter #5694762 10/09/11 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 3,251 Colorado B bigblock455 Campfire Tracker bigblock455 Campfire Tracker B Joined: May 2007 Posts: 3,251 Colorado yeah 60gr is just a plinking load on the range. Or small game. https://bs-bp.forumotion.com/

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader Mauser_Hunter #5694763 10/09/11 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,102 Knoxville,TN S slg888 Campfire Outfitter slg888 Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 10,102 Knoxville,TN Originally Posted by Old_Hunter Well, recommending 60gr of powder for elk doesn't show much experience on your part. Swampgirl700 is not experienced in nothing except 'bitching about products he can't afford & don't use.

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader Swampman700 #5694854 10/09/11 Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,129 A Ackleyfan Campfire Outfitter Ackleyfan Campfire Outfitter A Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,129 Originally Posted by Swampman700 Originally Posted by Old_Hunter Originally Posted by Swampman700 That's because you guys load them too heavy. Typical novice mistake. I didn't load it too heavy, but your novice assumptions are comical. Do you ever make a positive post? Not about novices who give out dangerous and faulty info. Swampdonkey do you realize how ignorant you sound?

Re: Need Help Finding Muzzleloader Ackleyfan #5695171 10/09/11 Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,330 Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Swampman700 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,330 60 grains of 3f and a patched .520 roundball harvested plenty of elk. You just have to be able to shoot. I guess you girls should take lessons. 1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983 919th Special Operations Wing 1983-1985 1993-1994 "Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~