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Originally Posted by Boxer

CDS is junk and you are pissing up a rope there.


Scope recommendation?

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Originally Posted by KDK
Get the .270. That's one less in front of me for the .280! smile


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The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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25,27,28, out to 500 or even 600 it doesn't matter.

But, if you plan on spinning a turret and like heavier longer BC bullets then 28 AI.

Would rather have the 25 over the 27 as well.


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Originally Posted by brymoore
Originally Posted by Boxer

CDS is junk and you are pissing up a rope there.


Scope recommendation?



I bleed Leupold,but disfavor the 2.5-8x everywhere,doubly so on a long action. The CDS is the [bleep] Cough Silencer of turrets.

I've no qualm with a 6x42 taking me to 1000yds and beyond,do it often. If forced to slum a variable,it gets no better than the 3.5-10x 40mm 1" on a Killing Rifle and make mine non-A/O. Pass the M1 ele,leave windage go and get outta my way,because schit is going on.

As to the 25,27 and 28 being "equals"...I couldn't begin to shift my brain into a gear low enough to deduce same,nor could anyone else I know who guns 'em all. While case capacity do border on equal,boolits do not and therein lies the disparaging differences. NOTHING equals the 7mm's pile driving ass or ability to slip atmospheric and that's what bears the fruit. And don't think I don't love quarterbores...but they simply cain't hang.

'Tis a simplistic FACT,that not all things is equal.





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Well damn, Bob after all that whining, you went ahead and did it anyway...

That put me another notch back as well


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Wow! Bigstick and Bigwhoop agree on the VX-3 3.5-10x40mm! Feeling better about having a VX-3 3.5-10x40 waiting for the 84L Montana that UPS says will be arriving by the end of business Friday.


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Originally Posted by brymoore
I'm about to pull the plug on a Kimber 84L. I'm a 270 guy and thought think this would be my perfect rifle in that caliber. I was talking to a buddy about it yesterday and he thought I was crazy for not getting a 280AI. He went off on a rather long rant naming the reasons that the 280AI was superior to the 270.

At this point, I can be persuaded. Which is best? I'm a one rifle guy so this rifle will be used for everything ID has to offer.


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All around rifle? I'm going to vote for some kind of 7mm - and I have had a long, fruitful love affair with the .270, among others. The Kimber in 280AI is very likely my next rifle...

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Originally Posted by tomk
Well damn, Bob after all that whining, you went ahead and did it anyway...

That put me another notch back as well


Tom I ordered it just for you ... grin You guys misinterpret what i was saying....I never said the cartridge was bad....just that it was close to what I already had.... whistle

Hey I ain't closed minded and with a bushel of 270's,a 7 RM and a 7mm Mashburn Super,I am still not sure why I did it.....but I am not above recognizing a pretty unique rig when I see it...and that 84L Montana is a pretty neat outfit.. cool I could never buy a 7RM over the counter that light,for the same money,which is a big issue in the decision.

Back in the 80's we'd have killed for an outfit like that over the counter,and had to spend lots of time and cash building something close to it.

I have no idea when it will show....maybe not for 6 months....at least it will expand my limited horizons. smile




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Originally Posted by BobinNH
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Get the .270. That's one less in front of me for the .280! smile


KDK: Too late.... cool grin


Seems to be a longer line forming now...


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I suppose one could say stubborn comes in degrees whereas close-minded is an all or none proposition...

It will be worth the wait. If you give it time and shake out a bunch of loads you won't regret it. Have kinda settled on the lighter bullets...maybe that is just age pussification. If you do have any buyer remorse, you can count on me to be available to take it off your hands at a fair discount...no sense in paying that extra freight to sell it in Alaska...:)

Am interested to see if they can sell enough rifles to push some factory load interest.


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Tom at my advanced age blush the weight of the outfit and moderate recoil sealed the deal.

Of course, I will hang onto my other stuff....I love that Mashburn to death! grin




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Do'nt worry about selling a 280 AI should you ever want to. I have one built on a 700 adl wood stocked gun and somebody wants to buy that rifle all the time and most of them do not handload. I have never seen a "cat" so popular. Murf


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Based on Kimber's website, it appears that the twist rate for the 280AI is 1 in 9.5" Is that good enough for the heavier 7mm bullets?

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just to stay with the OP's thread somewhat--seconded on the 3.5-10 Lupy for the long action

yeah Bob, have a Browning FN mag action getting dusty--was thinking about a 7 for it. Maybe a 7WB so I can spend more money on brass...:)


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I've decided on 280 AI with the 3.5-10x40 Leupold with an M1 elevation turrent.

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Great choice!


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I get the 280Ai appeal... but a Lwt Mtn rifle in 270 is as classic as it gets.

I would (and did) go 270...


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The 270 makes better safe queen beauties of wood and blue, IMO. That 84L Montana screams 280 Ackley like peanut butter and jelly..

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Originally Posted by RDFinn
The 270 makes better safe queen beauties of wood and blue, IMO. That 84L Montana screams 280 Ackley like peanut butter and jelly..


Couldn't disagree more... but we all have our perspective.

Blooded my 270 Montana today on an elk... worked like a boring broken record.


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