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#6973911 - 10/15/12 Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: ExpatFromOK]  
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Guys, I have looked and looked...no luck finding this article. Can someone post a link?

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#6973922 - 10/15/12 Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: Skatchewan]  
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#7107803 - 11/24/12 Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: Colin_Matchett]  
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Originally Posted by Colin_Matchett
"Within the structural limits of a given bullet, the lower the impact velocity the less penetration and expansion, and the higher the velocity the more penetration and expansion"

Less velocity = Less Penetration. Really?


yeah, i caught that too, tell that to my .45/70


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#7129192 - 11/30/12 Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: RoninPhx]  
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Ron I think you missed the point of the first part of the statement.

"Within the structural limits of a given bullet..."

So essentially he is saying a bullet from your .45-70 will penetrate less at one velocity than the same bullet at a higher velocity. Its hard to disagree with that statement.

#8093317 - 09/22/13 Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: THOMASMAGNUM]  
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I know this is an older thread, but time has passed with some of these bullets, and I have managed some paper, sand bag and game testing that I believe is relevant to help answer some questions. Firstly, Fusions and Deepcurls. I have shot these both to some extent in three cartridges now and have to say it is one of the most consistently accurate hunting bullets I have ever played with. I have literally shot over 200 130gr Fusion Factory rounds through 4 different .270 WCFs and its boring. 3/4-1" three shot triangles the norm. One rebarreled Remington (used a take off triangle barrel onto a browns precision stocked 30-06 that was shot out) shot quite a few 1/2 MOA groups at 200yds. That load killed a 48" Canadian moose for me 2 years ago.
The .300 WSM in dealt with for a friend was a consistent 3/4 MOA gun after I bedded and free floated his featherweight stock. I bought two boxes of 180gr Fusions and used one box verifying impacts with his Burris FFII. My group at 300 was 2 1/4" high for the reticle junction. Bingo. It's slayed and elk, two mule deer and a Saskatchewan whitetail. It broke the shoulders on the 6 point bull at 150ish yards as I recall too.
The .280AI I have loves the 160gr Deepcurls over 60.5gr of RL22. It clocks 3030fps with very little deviation (like 5-7 fps which is unusual for RL22). I have shot roughly 40 at paper to discover drops out to 400, and the BC is pretty close to advertised. I've shot 1/2MOA groups with the 2.5-8 out to 300yds (I can shoot that tight at 400 with 8x I guess :))
I then used this load on my biggest black bear (he's a pig!). He was facing me, slightly quartering to his right and I planted it through his shoulder. It smashed that shoulder, 4" of spine and ended up stopping just ahead of the offside hind in the backstrap. Over 3 feet of penetration through heavy bone and the recovered bullet looked to have 50-60% of its weight and my leather man said .5" expansion. The impact was 212yds. I'm 6'4" and 240lbs for reference.
This performance gives me the confidence to say that it is the best bullet for the dollar spent on the market. Understanding bonding and such in the manner that John explained it in this article is required to make a confident decision on what you want to shoot at what.
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#8148241 - 10/11/13 Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: rem338win]  
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I think mule deer is the best writer in the business. After all my reading and getting a little wiser with age I have concluded anything I am likely to ever shoot at again will be deer and elk. 270 with 130 ballistic tips will handle any deer and my 06 with 180 gr partitions for elk. If I ever find I need to take a 500 yard shot at an elk, I'll probably just pass and be content with going to a restaurant that night. Paraphrasing a bit here but it's so true, beware the guy with a well worn single rifle. I have owned them all but find little real difference in killing power if your honest about your personal limits and ability given the overwhelming majority of hunters have very little time to actually learn to handle all the whiz bang marketing guns available.

#8330924 - 12/07/13 Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: Mule Deer]  
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I liked the article, thanks. After reading some of the comments about it, I wonder why the deer and pigs I've killed with one 100gr .243 Win. Power-Point don't suddenly spring back to life. I love the 210gr. NP out of my .338-06 and TSX bullet in my 7-08. Of course with CA going totally lead-free in a few years, I'm going to have to learn to love them in everything.


My conclusion(s):

1) F'ing hateful people
2) F'ing California
3) F'ing Internet
4) F George Soros for closing the Bonded Bullet Convention
5) F Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer and George Miller
6) F Obama
7) F Obamacare
8) F liberals
9) F A few others whose name's elude me now!
grin

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#8538485 - 02/02/14 Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: DakotaDeer]  
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How can I read this article

#8539092 - 02/02/14 Re: Ask John Barsness Questions About "BONDED BULLETS" [Re: billc1111]  
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Here's a link to all of them. Bonded Bullets is the November 2011 one.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/newsletters/

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