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I was born in Mass. My first years of hunting deer were with a smooth bore shotgun. As you said. Slug gun hunting now is pretty different. They can shoot out to 200+ yds.

Shotgun hunting was my early still hunting training. I enjoyed it.


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Not that much different. It sounds like guys still empty their shotguns every time they shoot. Out on the power line I heard a guy shooting at intervals and the shots seemed to gradually get farther away. I believe the idiot was chasing the deer. Some things never change. If they make a shot gun that is accurate out to 400 yards the ammo will be so expensive anybody that would buy one won't practice with it anyway.

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Only for an adept and very discriminating shooter. Definitely not for a beginner unless they are well supervised. I have used one for barrel shoot doe hunts, but would not go on a big country trophy buck hunt so equipped.

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Originally Posted by Mauser_Hunter
What about that shoulder hit? Got any pictures of a muley buck kill hit in the shoulder?

Make me a believer.
I saw a rancher hit a possible booner in the ribs broadside at 80 yards with a 50 gr Remington cartridge hollow point. he almost went down but caught himself and left. Hasn't been seen since, that I know of.

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I have killed several deer with the 223 and 22-250 using the 60 gr nps. and would not hesitate to do so again, but I would hate to have either in hand with a big deer quartering away at 300-400 yards in scattered mesquite with a 10-12 mph breeze. Flame on VA.


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Originally Posted by eyeball
Originally Posted by Mauser_Hunter
What about that shoulder hit? Got any pictures of a muley buck kill hit in the shoulder?

Make me a believer.
I saw a rancher hit a possible booner in the ribs broadside at 80 yards with a 50 gr Remington cartridge hollow point. he almost went down but caught himself and left. Hasn't been seen since, that I know of.


Maybe I was just lucky......50+ times....grin!


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Been lucky a few times too...

Been unlucky none yet....


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I killed a doe on January 2nd. I was sitting in a swamp with a JP ar-15 loaded with Q3131 she stopped at 80 yards. I put the chevron on her shoulder at the shot she dropped. The trauma was devastating, first deer I had shot with a .223. I have a pic of the offside shoulder, it's amazing what a little bullet can do. I had some barnes vor-tx loaded up in my truck but I grabbed the wrong loads.

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Originally Posted by scenarshooter
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Originally Posted by Mauser_Hunter
What about that shoulder hit? Got any pictures of a muley buck kill hit in the shoulder?

Make me a believer.
I saw a rancher hit a possible booner in the ribs broadside at 80 yards with a 50 gr Remington cartridge hollow point. he almost went down but caught himself and left. Hasn't been seen since, that I know of.


Maybe I was just lucky......50+ times....grin!



Pat, you'd be 55-50 shootin' a 270....grin

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It works, my family has killed well over three dozen deer/antelope with 53gr TSX's out of a 22-250.

It works, that is all I can say.


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That's pretty well been established, and the OP has already bought the gun for his daughter.


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Just put the pill were it should and dust off the fine china.

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Just put the pill were it should and dust off the fine china.

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Some guns have a harder time getting the pill through the heart or lungs. Some of those pills dissolve before getting there, and the smaller ones do so more than the larger.

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He has killed hundreds with his Sako over the years, Rem 55g Core locts. With so little recoil and extreme accuracy, the shooter is able to make very precise shots.


That being said, my brother killed two does at 270 yards with an AR-15 with 53g Barnes tripple shocks.

I helped a friend in Texas with some loads for his 220 Swift with 39g of R#15 with 53g Tripple shocks...he has killed all kinds of deer and hogs with the rifle.

Stuff is not hard to kill, you just have to place your shot.

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Originally Posted by scenarshooter
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Originally Posted by Mauser_Hunter
What about that shoulder hit? Got any pictures of a muley buck kill hit in the shoulder?

Make me a believer.
I saw a rancher hit a possible booner in the ribs broadside at 80 yards with a 50 gr Remington cartridge hollow point. he almost went down but caught himself and left. Hasn't been seen since, that I know of.


Maybe I was just lucky......50+ times....grin!
Scenar, I do value your words and experience and I really do need to know, are you serious about taking big deer with behind the shoulder shots with a 50 gr hollow point? I repeat that I have taken several with a 223 and a 22-250 but with 60 gr bullets.


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The lightest bullet I've killed mule deer bucks with is the 52gr Sierra BTHP at 3800fps. Most of them were taken with the 55gr Hornady Spire Point.


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But, neck or body, please, with regards to the hp.?

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I killed a nice 8 point and a doe back in '91 with a .222 Rem. and handloaded 50 gr. Nosler solid base "expander". Both were behind the shoulder lung shots. The doe took three bounds and folded up. The buck dropped instantly. He dressed 172. The Nosler "expander" was designed for rapid expansion at .222 velocities.

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Dayom. I drill whitetail bucks and does behind the shoulder with a 30-30 or 270 wby mag and they run off. If I hit them in the shoulder they often go down right there.

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