Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters 06/200 @ 2700 question

Ok all, lately I've read of more than a couple people toting an 06 loaded with 200's running @ 2700 fps. (comes up a lot when the 06 vs 338/06 debate comes up)

To date, in 21"-22" barrels I've not gotten to 2700 and have kind of alway thought that 2700 was a better speed for the 180's. I've gotten 180's to 2800 out of the 22" barrels but man I thought it was a Hot load.

And to date I've not reached close to 2700 (upper 25's to low 26's being the norm and what to date I've thought of top end) with the 200's out of what I would call standard length tubes for an 06.

So, here's my Q. Who alls had 06's that would do 2700, with standard barrel lengths. And....and with good primer pocket life?

Now if you've had a load clock it, but haven't shot that load in the same case repeatedly to see how long the primer pocket will stay tight please either don't comment and or comment with the caveat that you've not shot it enough to know what the honest case life will be like.

I picked up a box of 200's yesterday to do some more testing so am looking for particular powders and charges. And if you would, please state your actual powder charge as well.

Many thx for your time.

Dober

I don't see the point. If you need more velocity from the 200 grain bullet there are plenty of .300 magnums to choose from. Why stress your .30-06 out and shorten it's barrel life?

I get 2700 fps using a 200 grain Partition with 58.5 grains of Ramshot Hunter in WW cases with a Federal 215 primer. Primer pockets are still good after four firings. I can't tell you how much longer they will last for sure. I usually only use a case for five or so firings anyway.

Chet

Thx Chet-I appreciate it, I shoot for 10 case loadings and if I can keep em tight for that long I feel good about the load.

Also, Chet how long of a barrel are you using on this rig?

Some people I know will run a load that's hot enough to toss the cases after a couple 2 or 3 loads.

Dober

Mark, RL17 for me. It's gonna be hotter than you'll like though, you old reformed redliner, you!

Accuracy was poopy and I wasn't inclined to dink more with the load with the expensive 200-gn NAB's. I'd like to revisit it at some point (maybe with some Hunter!).

With H4350 2800+ fps is easy with 180's... works well to get 165's and 150's scooting along too.

I'm about to move my loading setup from my unheated shed, into my big new heated shop. Luxury! Starting to feel like the old bean can maybe take some shooting too.

Here's some notes of mine,

Nosler 200gr Accubond, moly�d
Brass: Win
OAL 3.40�
CCI 200
Reloader-22
60 gr � 2710 fps (24� bbl)
61 gr � 2750 fps (24� bbl)

W760
3.34�
56.0 gr � 2750 fps (24� bbl)
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Hornady 208gr AMax, moly'd
Brass: Norma
OAL: 3.46" (3.47" OAL kisses lands, 15Feb08)
CCI-200 primer
Reloder-22
60 gr - 2660 fps - 57K psi (22.5� bbl)
61 gr - 2710 fps - 62K psi
62 gr - 2765 fps - 66K psi
63 gr - 2800 fps - 70K psi, flattening primer
64 gr - 2850 fps - 74K psi, flattening primer, brass flow in ejector, .002" web expansion
Reloder 17
55 gr � 2740 fps (22.5� bbl)
56 gr � 2760 fps
57 gr � 2810 fps, (slight brass flow in ejector)

W760
56 gr � 2700 fps (24� bbl sporter)

How much H4350 Jeff to get a 180 to 2800? And how long of a barrel? That seems steep to me with a 22" tube.

Dober

A couple of my everyday loads with the moly'd 208 AMax are 55gr RL17, and 60gr RL22. 2740 and 2720 fps respectively from the 22.5" Douglas bbl. Neither load is hard on the brass.

200g NAB
54.5g Rl-17
Fed Brass
CCI 250

2725fps from a 23" Broughton and 1/2-3/4 MOA

I'll be playing more with 208 Amaxes soon too but I've also had them to 2700 with RL-17.

Bb

That is with a 22" tube.

To be fair, that rifle has a snug custom chamber and seems to post pretty high velocities. I get 2820 fps out of JB's standard 58 grains of Hunter with a 180 Partition load. I have cases from that load that I have fired six times without any primer pocket problems.

Neck sized cases that have been fired in my factory M70 Featherweight will not chamber in the rifle above.

Chet

Disclaimer: I have not done it...

That said: Dober, this is why I jumped on a 300RSAUM like a chicken on a june bug when I found a Ruger M77MkII, with 22 inch tube, for $400. I want to set it up with a 200 grain Partition and a handload that achieves >= 2700 fps with minimal fuss...

...so I can talk smack to my son who drives a 24" barreled M700 in 30-06.

Pressure data for loads using 200 gr. Partitions (and more) in 30.06 has been posted at: http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2511043/m/4011018761

Marv

Honestly, that 200 grain Partition/Ramshot Hunter load is pretty darn versatile. It shoots into about .750" in my rifle. If you are a "one load for a rifle" sort of guy, it is pretty hard to beat.

You could load up 100 of those and "go fill arks" as someone around here likes to say.

Chet

By and large Chet I am a one round per gun kind of guy. I have a couple rigs I've used a ton for a long long time. I'm a firm believer in being as intimate as possible with a rig, so am not overly big on the concept of a new "serious" rifle very often.

This will be close, but my 3 main rifles I've had for 40 years, 20 years and 24 years. And, I run a lot of rounds and barrels thru them.

So yeah, I prefer one load for all that moves.

Fill up the arks baby...

Dober

And I should reemphasize, I really wish to have loads that have proven the test of time and case life. So, would prefer it that you've run the load in the cases close to 9-10x.

Short case life to me, and when primer pockets open up early means the loads too darn stout. At least for this kid.

Thx
Dober

I run the 200 gn NP's to 2700 in two '06's.

61.0 gns RL-22
CCI-250
2707 fps
pre-64 M-70 w/ a 24" barrel


54.0 gns RL-17
Fed-215
2698 fps
Ruger Express Rifle 23" barrel

On the 4th loading in the Winchester, and the 2nd in the Ruger and pockets remain tight


Gunner

Oh, and using W-W brass

Thats gonna be a tough one for a hunting rifle, as most brass as You know is purchased 50/100 per bag.

Gunner

Shouldn't be too tough if you just reload one case ten times over for the test.

Makes sense, but TFF anyway

Gunner

200 grain Nosler Partition

55 grains RL-17

Case: Norma, Some have been reloaded 3 times, still working good. Sparked by WLRP

2755 FPS

No PSI signs very accurate in my rifle.

Custom 700, 24 inch Lilja 3 grove.