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If you were going on a brown bear hunt and you had to choose between your 9.3 or your 338 Win., which would it be? To make it easier, you know that your guide has a nice supply of 9.3 and 338 ammo in case your loads were lost in transit.

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In all truth it won't affect the outcome of your hunt either way which one you choose. Both are superb bear rounds.


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I'd be 4 using the one which had the rifle that I was most intimate with. Intimacy with a rifle far and away outweighs using this or that round.

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Now if it was a 9.3x64.....


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Oh, I know. They are both fine. I'm just interested to see which one most would choose. The 338 is way more popular, of course.

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Since I like a little more punch, i would pick the .338WM. However, if the cartridges would be 9.3x62 and .338-06, then it would not make a difference to me.

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Ray, I have used both, and believe me when I say the 9.3 has at least as much jam as the 338 Win on really big game.

My pick would be the 9.3X62 with any factory 286 gr load available if I did not handload.

I do handload for the cartridge and can easily get 2500 with that weight, but 2350 is plenty, and having five in the magazine is nice, too! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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For any Grizzly bear that I have ever seen, I would prefer the 9.3x62 with a 286 NP or my 9.3x74R (the rimmed version) with the same bullet. I have five .338s and consider it the best BIG game round for hunting in B.C., this using 250 gr. premium bullets, but, I think that a slower, heavier bullet might be preferable on big bruins. This is splitting blonde ones, of course, but that's what these discussions are all about, anyway.

I will be soon starting on building a second 9.3x62 on a salvaged Brno 21H action, with Timney trigger, Argy 1909 bottom metal, Recknagel iron sights, CZ scope mounts and a Bevan King cut rifled barrel. I am not settled on the stock although I am leaning toward either Bansner or Serengeti. This will give me a rifle just under eight pounds, all up, which will hold five rounds, work flawlessly and be about as functional for backpack hunting in Grizzly country as anything I can imagine; it will largely replace my P-64 Mod. 70s and Dakota 76 in .338 because of weight issues in steep country.

My hunting partner is having Ralf Martini build him a 9.3x64 on a Brno ZG-47 action I sold him and this is another fine choice for Grizzlies or as a defence rifle while working/packing meat in bear country. A .358 Norma is also an excellent option, IMHO.

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Since 458 Win has seen more Brown's killed than I've ever seen alive, I'll go with his answer... course, if I was spending that kind of coin on a hunt it'd be the perfect excuse to buid a custom 375 H&H (21" bbl of course!).

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Why do you need an ...excuse...to build a .375 ouch & ouch???

I have one and think it mandatory for every serious riflenut to have one and, if I went to Alaska specifically to hunt large bears, that is what I would take, no question. Actually, last spring, my .375 was being restocked and my partner got a Grizzly draw up on the Alaska/B.C. border and asked me to come along as "backup", so, I packed my Browning 1886 SRC in .45-70, using handloads almost identical to those Phil uses in his identical rifle. This is a really useful rifle in bear country, but, boy, it boots ya!

I think that you NEED a .375 and should enter into domestic negotiations to obtain one....could be Kootenay Sasquatches moving south into Montana for the winter.....ya gotta be prepared!

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Never shot a brownie, but I have the rifles covered. Have a BRNO Mauser sporter in 9.3x62, a Whitworth (English) Mauser express rifle in .375 H&H, a Dakota LRH in .330 Dakota, and a Winchester Classic 70 Safari Rifle in .416 Remington Magnum. Soon will have a .35 Whelen, which is an excellent big bear gun too. One of these days hope to have the money to actually go on a big bear hunt. I guess if I sold a couple of my big bear hunting riflles I could actually fund a hunt. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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I think that you NEED a .375 and should enter into domestic negotiations to obtain one....could be Kootenay Sasquatches moving south into Montana for the winter.....ya gotta be prepared!


Kute, might be your relatives? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />... sorry, couldn't resist!!!!

Actually, I've had two 375's... last was a stainless M70... I had the barrel shortened to 22" and had the front sight reattatched. Great rifle but foolishly sold it! My next will hav a lighter contour barrel and will be set up exactly like my 30-06 including 21" barrel!

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A few years ago I had Dave Caboth turn the barrel of my stainless M-70 to ftw contour and cut it to 21 inches. I find I tend to pick it up more often than anything else unless, (and sometimes even if) I am guiding. I used to do that with a little 35 Whelen Mauser carbine but I gave it to my son and he claims IT is the perfect Alaskan rifle. I'm not sure though as Lon Paul and Danny Pederson are building me a 9.3 which I hope to be carrying this winter. My daughter however will tell you that her little stainless M-70 .338 kills big bears just as well as anything else, especially with 300 gr bullets, is just right on moose and caribou and ammo can be found anywhere.


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The 9.3 for two reasons:
It can be made into a smaller more manouverable rifle with any barrel length over 20 inches and still be a great performer and secondly, it will load 5 in the mag.

You won't need them all, but confidence in a rifle is the most importent facet to positively influence your field performance.


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The larger magazine capacity of the 9.3 is, or can be, a significant benefit over the .338.


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458, I'd like to see a pic of that 375... sounds exactly like what I want to build!

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I'll have to look for photos but I intend to do a piece on it, as well as other synthetic stocked using rifles for Rifle or Succesful Hunter magazine this winter. It was a simple conversion as any good smith should be able to cut and turn down the barrel. The factory bbl Win uses on the .375 is a bit heavy for my tastes.


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Ditto that Phil... much too heavy for me as well. The 375 doesn't kick all that much (for what it does!) and doesn't need that sort of plumbing.

I'll keep an eye out for the article!

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A few years ago I had Dave Caboth turn the barrel of my stainless M-70 to ftw contour and cut it to 21 inches. I find I tend to pick it up more often than anything else unless, (and sometimes even if) I am guiding. I used to do that with a little 35 Whelen Mauser carbine but I gave it to my son and he claims IT is the perfect Alaskan rifle. I'm not sure though as Lon Paul and Danny Pederson are building me a 9.3 which I hope to be carrying this winter. My daughter however will tell you that her little stainless M-70 .338 kills big bears just as well as anything else, especially with 300 gr bullets, is just right on moose and caribou and ammo can be found anywhere.


I don't hunt bears, but load a few rounds with 275-grains A-Frame bullets for my .338WM. However, there are at least two or three companies that produce 300-grain .338-caliber bullets. Ray Atkinson speaks highly of the 300 grainers for Africa hunting. I just can't see any real difference between the 9.3x62 and the .338-06, or the .35 Whelen, or the .338 Sabi. All of these are capable of launching bullets of similar weight at similar velocities, and trajectories.

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I pretty much view the 9.3x62 the 338/06 and the Whelen as about the same. Who knows what a 338 Sabi is but I'll take your word for it.

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I pretty much view the 9.3x62 the 338/06 and the Whelen as about the same. Who knows what a 338 Sabi is but I'll take your word for it.

Mark D


The .338 Sabi is the African version of the .338-06. They use heavy .338-caliber bullets to be launched at modest speed for deep penetration on African game.
http://www.sabirifles.co.za/sabi338.htm

These (.338-06, .35 Whelen, 9.3x62, Sabi, etc.) all use .30-06 or similar cases that hold approximately the same amount of powder. However, by using the heaviest bullets for each, penetration is greatly enhanced. That's why the 286-grain 9.3x62 bullet is so well liked. One can do the same with the .35 Whelen, or with the .338-06 with bullet weights from 250 grains and up to 300.

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