Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters Another Zumbo inquiry - not trolling, promise!

I get a kick out of you guys that are so eager to boycott stuff. Let's boycott Uncle Ted and Zumbo you say? We wont buy their books, Cds etc? That's little beans.

What about that Cooper rifle that pops up at a good price? Talk about "throwing us under the bus"! That Cooper dude supported the worst pos ever to darken the door of the whitehouse yet how many of you guys promoting boycotts would pass up a good deal on a Cooper rifle?

Greg,

You should be, like, a writer, or somethin'!!!

Well said and TFF!

Pete

.....I think that I speak for a number of folks when I say....WTF are you talking about?????

....thanks, Pete...
any idea what the guy slamming Cooper is about???

Think i speak of Cooper taking party for Obama 4 years ago. Sure he does'nt know Cooper is not owned by the guy anymore..
Dom

...thanks----I obviously had the wrong Cooper in mind---thought he was talking about the Scout Rifle and Jeff Cooper.

Never said I wanted to see AR's or any other rifle banned. I shoot AK's myself. I just said I don't really see the need for them in hunting season. It seems to send the wrong message. Like waging war on the game animals or something. It's just a perception, granted, but perception is quite often reality. Someday I might like to find out how well a 7.62X39 works on deer, just not in an AK or SK.

If some of the pictures coming out of Montana and Idaho are correct, you might want a "AR-10" sized gun while deer or elk hunting. I'd hate to come across a pack of wolves while hunting with my bolt action.

Personal insults trump a valid discussion everytime , right ? I'm sure you are a man among men , and a genius to boot . When you resort to personal insults to someone you know nothing about , while hiding behind your keyboard , you sound like a punk ! Just another internet commando , and I won't validate you by any further communication ! Semper-Fi punk .

I think that people are attracted to what they are used to. I grew up with bolt action rifles and that's what I consider a sporting firearm. The AR platform has been around for 50 years as a US military rifle and that's what a lot of folks trained on and got used to. Much of the rifle competition scene is not dominated by AR platforms. And the younger crown is comfortable with them and will use them for hunting.

Since it is what so many have gotten used to, its only natural that they'd look to buy one.

Let "need" come into the equation and soon you'll be hunting w a sharp stick.

Imagine..."what do you "need" that slingshot for, you some kind of nutbag, might poke an eye out,use this here sharp stick instead, so you don't give anyone the wrong impression".

As long as the caliber is legal who gives a rip what platform it eminates from. My $.02, in this realm, perception is rarely reality.

I actually enjoy getting to look at something that doesn't make me want to put my eyes out.

I get really tired of the claim that an 03 is somehow like an AR. One was a military rifle(the 03 Springfield) and the AR never has been and likely never will be.

yah, you're right, I over reacted to your initial comment: "...I place Nugent in the same catagory as Hanoi Jane Fonda..." In reflection, I went overboard with the adversarial verbiage--sorry.

However, since between the two of us, I'm the only one using my real name and recently posted a picture of myself with Bradford O'Connor, your comment, "...hiding behind your keyboard..." and "...internet commando..." rings hollow. I won't dispute being a "punk" since I haven't used the word since the late 60's and don't really know its contemporary usage (although I think that "being punked" today has a meaning unrelated to your intended use)---who knows, I may in fact have transformed into whatever it means today.

So with "valid discussion" as the objective, what is it about Nugent not serving that upsets you more than Selleck or any # of other celebrities and/or conservative pundits/politicians that also "avoided the draft," i.e. the Rush Limbaugh's and Rick Santorum's of the world (both of whom I love btw)??? And why would you let those feelings cause you to not join the NRA, which is the most effective lobbying voice that we have??? No pejoratives on my part, just want and need to figure out your thought process.

BTW, I'd happily pay for your renewal into NRA membership for the first year--after that, if you feel that the Nuge is having a negative impact on the firearms and freedoms that you enjoy, simply let the membership lapse at the end of the year---best offer you'll get today!! :-) PM me if interested.

RMEF is a leftist organization anyway, so gun control should fit in nicely.

The public chooses what it wants to read and buys magazines, newspapers, books etc accordingly. If a writer (Zumbo) offends his customers, they aren't going to read his stuff or purchase it. Its on him to regain readership. Readers shouldn't have to change their beliefs at the behest of his friends. Companies go out of business all the time because they expect customers to pander to them. Zumbo is just experiencing the same thing.

FLfiremedic,

Some facts you possibly do not know need airing. Or, are you just being cute with your last post on natural selection.

Writers do not have a direct link to the public! They have publishers and distributors who decide whether or not to print and sell their magazine articles and books. Also, when the issue at hand, is a product purveyed by potential advertising companies, they go to jelly at the first hint of controversy.

So when any number of readers makes a major stink with rhetorical excesses over any ideas expressed by a writer, these companies tend to back off publishing their work even when the volume clearly exceeds the merit of the complaints. The chest thumping critics then, with a fresh scalp under their belts, go even more perpetually postal -- witness the guys here who describe RMEF, and other stalwarts of the hunting sports as "leftists anyway".

The intent? On its face it is little more than trying to bully eveyone else into thinking the same way they do. It works, but not forever. Hitler, Stalin and Mao are the models.

The public which probably could care less and might even welcome a good reasoned argument over a controversial idea never gets a say in the matter -- excpet maybe no on the inet. The drooling pilers-on who never have an independent thought anyway still try to shout down the public. But iits an old act and getting transparent.

1B

1B,

I was being neither cute nor uninformed. I see no need to debate this with you, as your intended or not, actually re-enforces my previous statements. I will add that I agree, Mr. Zumbo is free to write, speak, and have any opinions he wants...with that said I would hope that I am not forced to spend money on his magazines, and that I would not be forced to read his writing.

To steal a very old quote, "You're only as good as your last landing".

I'll close with this: This is a web board on the internet...don't let it get your blood pressure up.

The Nudge may have avoided the draft, but he did so legally, if he did, indeed. He got a student deferment, which a lot of people did.

At any rate, whatever he did way back then, he's more than made up for since in his public stance on gun rights and hunting rights. At least in my book.

To put him in the same category as Hanoi Jane is laughably absurd.

Zim Jumbo is a joke.

What Zumbo wrote was posted there: http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/assault_rifles_.html It has been removed but I found a copy of his blog entry; this is what he wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zumbo#.22.27Terrorist.27_rifles.22_blog_entry

I just perused some of several and long Fire threads sparked by Zumbo's blog entry in February 2007; the volume of comments, the speed at which comments were posted and the intensity of the feelings expressed are striking.