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'Lil John

Nice AR and I agree with you on most things other than Berger bullets,especially in an AR aka .223 where penetration is not a given.

I haven't had time to get a good picture of mine but I did go outside and snap one on my cell phone..Nothing like yours but it is a Smith and Wesson with less than $700 the way it sits.



I am not 100% sure yet,but I just might go black this year and never look back!

Jayco

Only wimps use the 223, personally I use my 222. I can knock a wart off a gnat with that gun. And we all know accuracy is really the only thing you need to kill an animal

There 'ya go TX..Accuracy is everything...

The .223 is just a 222 AI.

Jayco

Accuracy is the main thing but it isn't everything. Further, there is sometimes a discrepancy between desired and actual placement.

If accuracy was everything we could all hunt with .22 rimfires and save a lot of money.

Did he also tell you how many he shot and didn't recover? Not likely and I'll bet the number was high.

I wouldn't even hesitate to kill an elk with a .223...

I've seen what a 223/TSX does to a cow buffalo, and seen the exit hole, rib in, rib out... Elk ain't any more bullet proof.

The repetitive theme seems to be marginal shots and trying to make up for that with bullet mass. Quit making schitty shots.

Ok Buffalo Bill.

Do ya drive a Moped on the Interstate

It'll get you there but if things go wrong it won't be a nice thing.

Back in the 50s a sports writer ran a series of tests on the best cartridge for shooting through brush. and he did it in a way to prove wich ones would give the best group. the .270 150 grain cartridge did the best the worst were the large 45 calibers and the high speed .224 calibers.and I believe he did an excellant job at it.he used wooden dowls arranged in the same pattern for all the shots.

Huh, I'm not following...?

Dober

IMO:
The title..."Elk and the .223.Why not?"
Answer..In several states it is not even legal and it is a small bore designed for varmints or wimmpy creatures like humans.
The body of the post..if a .243 is an elk killing machine why not the .223 etc.etc..
Answer..if the .243 was an elk killing machine then you could make that argument..if a 22-250 is a coyote killing machine, then why not a .223, then why not a .222, then why not a .22 hornet, then why not a 22mag, then why not a 22 lr and i'll skip the 22 long and just get right to the short !
No SERIOUS elk hunters think a .243 is a elk killing machine.
If a .243 was and elk killing machine then yes, why not the .223 ? Let me know when we get down to the .22 short cause it will kill and elk also, likely even fronm a 2" snub nose pistol..go right through the orbitable socket just so the odds will make it better for a clean kill if thats a consideration..

Chuck Norris hunts elk with a .223rem.

I thought Chuck just gave them a flying kick?

chuck told me theres no difference between doctor Kavorkian and the taliban w/a knife and a video camera..either way you end up dead so whats the big deal ?
Hard to argue with that logic....

TOTALLY AGREE

Good Job

The funny thing about most guys in the 223 killing crowd, all use other cartridges also. If the 223 was such a great killing machine then why would they use anything else? Why not sell all their other firearms that are not chambered in 223?

I am pretty sure everyone who said the .223 would work also said it was a limited range affair and compared it to other limited range types of hunting, ie bow hunting or muzzle loaded hunting.

I have heard rumors that most western states are now considering having special AR-15 elk seasons for the use of rifles like Jayco�s. These hunts would be during the rut and most likely overlap existing bow and muzzle loaded season to offer all the new owners of such guns a chance to use them.

From what I have read barrel lengths will be a max of 16 inches and magazines must be able to hold a minimum of 20 rounds to be legal.

Contact your local game and fish to show your support.

"It's not about headstamps, it's placement", "It's all about the type of bullet, use Barnes TSX", I haven't read the entire thread but have heard these types of statements many times on the campfire. I've not heard the word "limitations" by the hardcore 223 advocates. I guess that if a guy wanted to limit his shots you could take that to the 22LR but I'll take every advantage the law allows within reason.

Comparing the 223 to a 22LR is ridiculous.

A 223 is what it is, but I cannot equate a 40gr lead bullet at 1200 fps, with a 70gr TSX at 2900 fps.


If you can, well, I believe you.

Mr Burns brought up the "limitations" issue. You can take that to any extreme you want to. Would you not consider a 22LR a limiting factor when elk hunting?