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The White or "wide" rhino is far from extinction and is not really threatened. Almost every concession has one for the visual effect of the bush, and the occasional dart hunt. Countless concessions have a few to as many as a dozen. They move the bulls around from farm to farm for breeding and darting.

The Blacks or hooklip are on the rise in a big way as well. Certainly not in the numbers the white rhinos are at but it will get there. The main difference in the reason is that the whites are more docile and functional on a hunting concession. Although not to be fooled with, they have destroyed several vehicles on ours.

The blacks have a more notable irritability, and much more mobile skill set. They become more of a concern in the bush for the hunters and workers. For this reason they are not as in demand. Further the Nature Conservation has significantly more regulation for ownership. Nonetheless there are more and more places that are seeing the Black Rhino on private hunting concessions. This will be where the future is at. Private ownership on hunting lands will be where the success comes from. There will be hunting opportunities for the black rhino in RSA. Big old bulls beyond breeding age that can fetch enough money to support anti poaching and additional breeding projects.

Fortunately there are enough people willing to part with 250k-USD for the chance to harvest one. This may look silly to some, shooting a species which is on the brink, but its a proven method of a harvestable surplus to support the recovery effort.


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Well said, as usual, and correct on all points as far as a species needing to supprot ittself with hunting income to be sustainable long term in the third world.

Wish I had the bucks to hunt one someday, but will substitute a Hippo to make my personal 'big five' a reality. They kill far more people than Rhino's each year anyway.


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Remember that a Rhino dart hunt is far more of a challenge then killing one. It also qualifies you for the big five by SCI rules.

I think this was a brilliant move by SCI, why kill a white rhino when you can have an even bigger challenge to dart one at 30 yards. It then gets to live to provide another hunt for somebody else.

They only accept the entry for rhinos dated twice per year maximum. They don't want the same bulls being darted every month for income. Also the horn changes size frequently with growth and wear, so the same rhino in darted in Jan will very likely have a different size horn in October.

We darted an old bull that ranged in score by 3-5" every other year. He was only darted once per year. It's expensive to dart them, but a long shot cheaper then killing one!


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As BigDaddyT noted, the latest demand for rhino horn is eing driven by a rumor that it cures caner. Viagras had made a big dent in the "traditional" medicinal market, but the cancer rumor went Internet viral and the price for horn skyrocketed.

I hunted the Selous Reserve in Tanzania last September and the head game scout in camp told me they're guarding the remaining black rhinos 24 hours a day. We ran into a party of half a dozen poachers midway through the hunt, disappearing into the bush. An anti-poaching team caught them the next day and killed five out of the six.


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Originally Posted by JJHACK
The White or "wide" rhino is far from extinction and is not really threatened. Almost every concession has one for the visual effect of the bush, and the occasional dart hunt. Countless concessions have a few to as many as a dozen. They move the bulls around from farm to farm for breeding and darting.

The Blacks or hooklip are on the rise in a big way as well. Certainly not in the numbers the white rhinos are at but it will get there. The main difference in the reason is that the whites are more docile and functional on a hunting concession. Although not to be fooled with, they have destroyed several vehicles on ours.

The blacks have a more notable irritability, and much more mobile skill set. They become more of a concern in the bush for the hunters and workers. For this reason they are not as in demand. Further the Nature Conservation has significantly more regulation for ownership. Nonetheless there are more and more places that are seeing the Black Rhino on private hunting concessions. This will be where the future is at. Private ownership on hunting lands will be where the success comes from. There will be hunting opportunities for the black rhino in RSA. Big old bulls beyond breeding age that can fetch enough money to support anti poaching and additional breeding projects.

Fortunately there are enough people willing to part with 250k-USD for the chance to harvest one. This may look silly to some, shooting a species which is on the brink, but its a proven method of a harvestable surplus to support the recovery effort.


correct me if im wrong but originally the "Big 5" was ment for the black rhino as it is more dangerous than the white but as the blacks numbers became to low hunters just moved to include the white as a rhino for the "Big 5"....know in my readings from some of the "old time" hunters they definitely had much more respect and gave the blacks far more room when going around than the whites cause they had more of a temper....


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When you drive through the parks the warnings regarding vehicle damage by white rhinos is well posted. When you have had one charge the vehicle you get a better feel for the potential. When you see a Lexus SUV that has had the doors ripped thru with the horn, the radiator and front bumper ripped out and lying on the ground, and hear from the woman and 12 year old girl that were in the car at the time. You know white rhinos are not always docile and friendly.

They don't have the mobility or speed of the black rhino but they can be almost 3 times the size. I'm not sure having worked with the that they are always less dangerous or if they are just much less agile. For example a black rhino can swim. A white rhino cannot.

I guess what I'm suggesting is what a white rhino falls short of in aggression he makes up for in size and inertia. Look at a vehicle that has been attacked, it's no joke. A wrecking ball could not do better.


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When I was in Zim, my PH told me that it was legal to shoot and kill any poachers whom we thought were poaching elephant or rhino. I don't think any rhinos were around there but we did find an elephant, dead for about two weeks, with the front part of its face hacked off and gone. That evening 17 game scouts showed up to try to find some sign of the poachers.

I'm glad we didn't shoot any. I heard about one white Zimbabwean who shot one that turned out to be the son of a government minister.


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yeah JJ wasnt suggesting that a white isnt potentially dangerous and i know they tear up vehicles pretty regular BUT historically the Big 5 meant the black not the white.....the blacks being more athletic as you say plus having a shorter fuse than the whites....

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We need that kind of justice in the US with gangs, drug dealers etc. Think of the money that would be save in trials, prisons and the lives that would be saved. Flinch


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