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#6246411 - 03/02/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: smithrjd]  
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Where I hunt the range varies from 10 yards to 200 yards. I set the A.O. for about 150 and forget it. There is a place I can make a shot about 450 yards. Even there I don't change it unless I acutually see game and get into position.

Also I don't change the magnification setting from its lowest setting unless the game is very far away.


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#6246440 - 03/02/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: Ringman]  
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OK from what I see with my 22LR match rifles setting the AO at 150 yards would mean about 1/2" at 25 yards. Still well withing the kill zone. Unless at extreme long range I still don't see how an AO will help with a deer rifle at normal ranges IE up to 100 yards. My largest scope is a 3X9, set at 3 unless I go to the corn fields. Then I have plently of time to adjust. Still most shots are within 100 yards and to me no need for AO.

#6246548 - 03/02/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: smithrjd]  
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OK from what I see with my 22LR match rifles setting the AO at 150 yards would mean about 1/2" at 25 yards. Still well withing the kill zone. Unless at extreme long range I still don't see how an AO will help with a deer rifle at normal ranges IE up to 100 yards. My largest scope is a 3X9, set at 3 unless I go to the corn fields. Then I have plently of time to adjust. Still most shots are within 100 yards and to me no need for AO.


Some here, including me, have places where 100 yards is like right next door. Some of the action is in the next block or two streets over.


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#6246557 - 03/02/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: Ringman]  
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If the animal moves before you can range, dial and fire, then thats just the way it goes sometimes.


If the animal moves before you can get a shot of at short range that's just the way it goes sometimes.


A longer shot usually takes a little more time to set up for poindexter....

And you can make 'em without an AO. I know, because I've done It.

So quit suggesting you need to have an AO to make longish shots on big game.

It's a well established fact that you don't.




#6246810 - 03/03/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: JohnMoses]  
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Originally Posted by JohnMoses
A longer shot usually takes a little more time to set up for poindexter....


Are poindexters good to eat? What's the kill zone on a poindexter??



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#6247277 - 03/03/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: smokepole]  
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They are quite easily hunted, due to the fact they haven't a clue.

Can be easily located due to their incessant babbling about adjustable objectives.

The ultimate thrill is to stack them up like cord wood at distance with a non-AO scope.

No good to eat, as they fall into the varmint category.

#6250347 - 03/04/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: Ringman]  
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alpinecrick,


Upon what do you base this assumption?



I live, hunt, and guide in elk country, you dummy. I see it every year, and it can be entertaining to watch, and to listen to them.

Besides it makes it easy and fun to, you know, make fun of them......... wink

But go ahead and carry on and keep packing that heavy gear--leaves more elk for me.


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#6250600 - 03/04/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: JohnMoses]  
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Originally Posted by JohnMoses
They are quite easily hunted, due to the fact they haven't a clue.

Can be easily located due to their incessant babbling about adjustable objectives.

The ultimate thrill is to stack them up like cord wood at distance with a non-AO scope.

No good to eat, as they fall into the varmint category.


Well, it's good to see that you're finally treating this subject with the gravity it deserves. For a minute there, I was worried that you were gonna post some smart-ass comment like "the kill zone is exceedingly small, as every shot seems to be an ass shot."



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#6250930 - 03/04/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: alpinecrick]  
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I live, hunt, and guide in elk country, you dummy. I see it every year, and it can be entertaining to watch, and to listen to them.


Are you under the impression that your experience is consitant with all other hunters and guides?


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#6250957 - 03/04/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: smokepole]  
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Originally Posted by smokepole
Nah, "dandy" is the word you use to describe the bucks he kills.

You're welcome.


Thank you?

Good on him - albeit expected to find bucks like that in the "vicinity of dandihood".

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Lol. I left that out!

#6253847 - 03/05/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: JohnMoses]  
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Parallax is an annoyance at the range...I tend to shoot an appropriate sized orange dot against a black background target because it helps me "hold small".But it is easy to see that dot float around as you move your head around the stock;and with some scopes, I can see the difference in group size from one scope to the other.Not a "huge" difference, but its' there.

The definition of "long range" varies with capability and equipment,but at say 300-500 yards,if I have "doubts" the simple solution for me is to get rid of the dots,cut out a full sized elk (or deer)target,with a slightly shaded vital area.This requires additional focus on that "imaginary"spot on the animal against a larger, monolithic background.

Shoot it for groups at distance the way you would in the field,if it makes you happy, but I prefer to watch POI from first shot,cold barrel.Not having that central aiming point(dot)will make parallax more difficult to detect.You should get central kill zone hits at 300-500 yards,even with a scope that does not adjust for parallax.

This is a bit different from trying to kill tiny varmints at distance, or shoot groups...but BG animals are not killed with groups.Generally they are(or should be) killed with a single shot from a cold barrel at whatever distance is afforded.I have killed deer and elk sized animals(coyotes too)to 400-500 yards with mostly fixed power scopes of modest power,and no adjustments for parallax.






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#6254180 - 03/05/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: Ready]  
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Originally Posted by cmg
Originally Posted by smokepole
Nah, "dandy" is the word you use to describe the bucks he kills.

You're welcome.


Thank you?

Good on him - albeit expected to find bucks like that in the "vicinity of dandihood".

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#6255639 - 03/05/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: Ready]  
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All dinks. grin

Bet u could have killed everyone with a non AO scope. grin

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Originally Posted by JohnMoses
All dinks. grin

Bet u could have killed everyone with a non AO scope. grin


Top row, 2nd in from left was killed W/1x Sightron on a muzzle loader. All the rest were 4-12 or 4.5-14x40 Leupolds with fine-duplex and AO.

Bottom right died in his bed, the rest of the bottom row died on the run from 75-300yds as did top right and next one in.

GASP!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've taken running shots and used an AO. Probably going to hell twice.

Nutter runner/AO kill:

[Linked Image]

Would you believe a fast walk and an AO?

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#6255679 - 03/05/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: JohnMoses]  
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I just got back from a weekend guiding aoudad hunters (2 this time). As usual I got to inspect their equipment, and test out my VX6 and my buddy's VX3 4.5-14 non AO (7 STW). To make a long story short, at lunchtime we ranged and shot 2 ft sized rocks. I could consistently hit @ 600 (4 for 4), 740 (3 for 4), and 908 (2 for 3) with my VX6, 7mag, shooting HSM trophy gold 168gr VLD hunting bullets. Not 'cause I'm a great shot, but because the MOA dial on the VX6 tracks perfectly, up and down and back to the 100 yd zero it started with. We had about the same consistency with my buddy's 7STW, and another hunters Nightforce 5-22x50. It obviously has the SF adjustment. The glass in my VX6 was noticeably better to my 51 yr old eyes than the NF. My conclusion was that I personally have no need for AO or SF. I could hit those targets on 6x-12x rather easily. No wind of course.


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#6255709 - 03/05/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: JGRaider]  
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JG,

Only dink shooting dandy's need an AO.

Like ol horse head. Lol.

Nice animals pard and that is some good shooting JG.

#6255959 - 03/05/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: JGRaider]  
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The glass in my VX6 was noticeably better to my 51 yr old eyes than the NF


I am deeelighted to read that. I better be looking into this new line.


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#6255988 - 03/05/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: Ringman]  
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It may be just me, so don't take it to the bank without looking through one yourself. I will say this, I was more impressed this go 'round with the NF than I was previously 3-4 years ago. They're just a little bit too beefy for my tastes.


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#6257074 - 03/05/12 Re: AO on deer hunting scope? [Re: horse1]  
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Originally Posted by horse1
GASP!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've taken running shots and used an AO. Probably going to hell twice.


Only if you shot 'em with a .223. Then you're making the trip three times.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by horse1
GASP!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've taken running shots and used an AO. Probably going to hell twice.


Only if you shot 'em with a .223. Then you're making the trip three times.


Ah CRAP! Killed a doe that way this fall on the run with a 223.


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