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#6223666 - 02/26/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Ralphie]  
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XPILOT - I use a similar load 38gr. 3031 405gr. Rem JSP. Pretty much duplicates the factory loading. I'm still having a ball with mine. Although I didn't use it hunting this year, I plan on looking down those barrels at a black bear once again next year. I have used it for bear and elk so far and will use if for pigs when the chance comes. Have fun.

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#6223806 - 02/26/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Abner]  
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Originally Posted by Abner
Who, if anyone, makes scope rings and bases that will fit the 11mm dovetail mounting rail, that can take the recoil of the 45/70. All I have been able to find for the 3/8", 11mm dovetail are mounts for .22cal. rifles and airguns. I would prefer a quick disconnect set of rings, but that might be to much to ask. Any thoughts?


Did you try Tally Q.D.'s? I think they are 3/8" dovetail.


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#6242202 - 03/01/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Abner]  
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Hey! What happened to the pictures. I really wanted to see it!


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#6249817 - 03/03/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: byc]  
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I'm not sure where they went. Give me a day or two and I'll load up a few and post them.

#6269630 - 03/08/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: byc]  
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OK - I took some new pics and can't remember how I got the old ones downloaded. Some help would be appreciated. Where do I download the pics on the net to get them to download here?

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#6271141 - 03/09/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Abner]  
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Photobucket is one of the better places to download.


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#6273664 - 03/09/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: AkMike1]  
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Here are a few pics of my double 45/70. They aren't the best, but it is what I have at the moment. I could only post one at a time, so sorry for the multiple posts.
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#6273677 - 03/09/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Abner]  
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#6273686 - 03/09/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: byc]  
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#6273692 - 03/09/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Abner]  
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For the fellas that may be interested there is a Kodiak SXS 45/70 at Gun Emporium in Conroe TX for a little over $3200. Its sweet looking! grin


JOC was right. The 270 Winchester on a Model 70 is a great combination as is the 30/06 and 375 H&H

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#6420114 - 04/18/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: raybass]  
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I have had my Baikal MP221 45/70 on order for three weeks now. I hope to have it in my hands in about 12 days. Waiting for the banks to clear "their" money orders between themselves. USPS money orders only for future purchases. It is hard to wait.

#6424920 - 04/20/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: tbear]  
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Originally Posted by tbear
While they work I would certainly consider them crude. One of my friends was invited to the birthday party hosted by Mr. Kalashnikov who developed the AK47. They hunted his estate for Red Deer with these double rifles. He was able to purchase a couple & sold me one. While I killed a couple of boar with mine the stock is a 2X4, action is stiff & crude, accuracy is poor, difficult to scope, & the regulation system is rube goldberg. Other than these deficiencies its a great rifle.


Sounds like the one in our local shop.


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#6588014 - 06/12/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Swampman700]  
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I ordered a MP221 SXS 45-70 last Thursday and picked it up at my FFL a few minutes ago. $750 out the door.

I was pleasantly surprised at the overall appearance, fit and finish. The stock fits me perfectly in every aspect rendering a solid cheek weld when the sights are properly aligned. It has a 14 1/4" length of pull. It has a pretty stiff ventilated recoil pad on it. I forsee a Limbsaver pad on the horizon.

Metal to metal fit is as tight as an out of the box Citori. Very nice and uniform crowns on both muzzles. Mirror bright bore. The matte blue job is as good as you will find on any mass produced Rem, Ruger or Winchester. The action is VERY tight as many have noted and needs some serious breaking in. To me that is far better than a rattle trap. The sights are nice! I'm a big fan of the square notch and round post anyway... The front post bead looks identical to and will probably interchage with an AK.

On the down side, the triggers really suck. They break at about 8-9 pounds. But I'm spoiled to a Ray Perry 3.5 pound trigger job. Looks like it will take a trip to Ray so he can waive his $50 magic wand over it.

The furniture is very plain, but well shaped with what appears to be an oil finish. Wood fits the metal tight everywhere it should. Wood to metal fit is comparable to my Ruger #1.

I still need to shoot it, but at this point I have NO complaints whatsoever. It will undoubtably replace my beloved model 94 as my go-to walkabout rifle.

A new set of dies, 100 Barnes 350gr TSX's and 100 new Rem nickel cases should be waiting on my door steps when I get home. According to the book 60 grains of Varget should yield app. 28,000 psi and 1900fps.

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#6588350 - 06/12/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: GutterSlut]  
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Originally Posted by ClarkKent
I ordered a MP221 SXS 45-70 last Thursday and picked it up at my FFL a few minutes ago. $750 out the door.

I was pleasantly surprised at the overall appearance, fit and finish. The stock fits me perfectly in every aspect rendering a solid cheek weld when the sights are properly aligned. It has a 14 1/4" length of pull. It has a pretty stiff ventilated recoil pad on it. I forsee a Limbsaver pad on the horizon.

Metal to metal fit is as tight as an out of the box Citori. Very nice and uniform crowns on both muzzles. Mirror bright bore. The matte blue job is as good as you will find on any mass produced Rem, Ruger or Winchester. The action is VERY tight as many have noted and needs some serious breaking in. To me that is far better than a rattle trap. The sights are nice! I'm a big fan of the square notch and round post anyway... The front post bead looks identical to and will probably interchage with an AK.

On the down side, the triggers really suck. They break at about 8-9 pounds. But I'm spoiled to a Ray Perry 3.5 pound trigger job. Looks like it will take a trip to Ray so he can waive his $50 magic wand over it.

The furniture is very plain, but well shaped with what appears to be an oil finish. Wood fits the metal tight everywhere it should. Wood to metal fit is comparable to my Ruger #1.

I still need to shoot it, but at this point I have NO complaints whatsoever. It will undoubtably replace my beloved model 94 as my go-to walkabout rifle.

A new set of dies, 100 Barnes 350gr TSX's and 100 new Rem nickel cases should be waiting on my door steps when I get home. According to the book 60 grains of Varget should yield app. 28,000 psi and 1900fps.

Mick


Welcome to the fire.

I see you have lurked awhile. Some picture of your new gun?

Before fireing the load with 60 grs. of Varget?

I do not know what book that load is from but

THAT IS NOT A SAFE LOAD.

Way over 28000 / 1900 fps.

QL estimated 94000 psi, which will blow up your gun.


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#6588624 - 06/12/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Ready]  
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I get 2000fps with 60 gr Varget and 350 Hdy RN with CCI200 in RP cases in my NEF Handi-Rile. I would back off to 50 gr to start with with TSX's and keep them to 1800 fps in the double. Lead gas checked would be a better choice at these velocities IMHO.

Play safe.

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#6588998 - 06/12/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: jimone]  
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Yeah I've been hanging around a while. I rarely have time to be active on forums, but they contain a wealth of information and differing points of view.

I was at work when I made the first post and was depending on memory, of which I have none...

Hmmmmm... Well Hogdon has this on their
website for the Marlin lever action 47/70 rifles -

350 GR. HDY JRN Hodgdon Varget .458" 2.540"
54.0 grains 1786 fps 21,800 CUP
60.0C grains 2013 fps 29,500 CUP

This is from a conversion website -
2,200BAR = 31,908.3023006PSI (14.50375 PSI = 1 BAR).

Does CUP=PSI or close???

Rocket science isn't my bag but, I think the action should be as strong as a Marlin Lever action or stronger.

I plan to start at 50gr and work up. Recoil may determine the max load. I have a .458 mag and some other meat grinders and I don't enjoy shooting them either.

Let me see if I can get some pics up.

Mick




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#6590853 - 06/13/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: GutterSlut]  
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Start low and work up, as is sensible practice. Case capacity varies with brand a lot with the 45-70, a safe load with Winchester cases may be an overload with Remington or Starline.
I would not shoot my Handi-Rifle loads in my Marlin guide gun. Varget is a good choice, as is IMR 4208XBR and H 322.


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#6590961 - 06/13/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: GutterSlut]  
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PSI and CUP are not the same units at all, but 28000cup in the 45-70 seems to be close to 28000 psi. Not the same with other ammo.
You can find helpful datas on the 45-70 in the special issue of Rifle magazine call Legacy of the Lever Gun. Go to Rifle web site, may be they have some left to sell. Interesting reading.

The russian action is strong, used for ammo which are close to 58000psi and more without problem.

Marlin is given to 42000psi, 1886 with nickel steel barrel or reproduction can go to the same, even a bit more but as the saying goes: "better safe than sorry". No need to try to transform a 45-70 in 458WinMag.

I load for my Winchesters and Browning 86 with VN133 powders and bullets from 300 to 405grs.

57,8grs of VN133 and Hornady 350RN bullet give me 620m/s a bit more than 2030fps, barrel is 22inches. Pressure is around 30000psi may be 31000. Cases are Remington, primers CCI.
Be careful not to mix cases, Remington and Winchester are close but the Federal are very heavy and capacity way smaller so same loads give over pressure.

With same powder and 405grs bullet i use 53grs for 580m/s. Pressure are close to the former above. Think you can use them without fear in your double.

Lead bullets are a must in this caliber even with smokeless powders, if you push them a bit use gas checked one and lubricate with Alox or another high quality grease or lubricant. I get very few leading doing that.

I even used 540grs GC lead bullets in my lever action. Could be interesting to test in your double. Maybe you can load it longer than in a lever for more powder capacity. Good for close range hunting on big boars if you can get them to shoot.

Have good time loading and shooting, take care!

Dom



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#6597669 - 06/16/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: writing_frog]  
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I bought one of these new in 30-06 in 2008. Had major trigger problems and after firing the shell would get stuck in one of the barrels. Had to be pried out with a screw driver. I sent it back to EAA down in Florida. they sent me a new gun. after about 20 rounds through the new one a piece fell out from the underneath of the rib in front. Trigger was still sticky too but I could have lived with that. At this point I talked to their gunsmith on the phone and politely expressed my displeasure. I sent the second one back. When I got it back there was a work order with it that said the gun had been disassembled by some one other than them(meaning me),screws had been buggered up, and that it had been over greased. I am not a gun smith and I certainly would never take a gun apart that is supposed to be under warranty. Well, the third "repair" resulted in a gun that is so hard to break open after shooting 2 barrels that it is unusable. At that point I kind of just gave up and it has been sitting on the shelf since then. I didn't expect a custom double for what it cost me but it isn't too much to ask a that it just shoots and is operable. All in all very poor quality even for the low price and the service from the company was even worse.

#6630827 - 06/27/12 Re: 45/70 side by side [Re: Buckheart]  
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Moderately buffed the furniture with the abrasive side of a dishwashing sponge that was under the sink... One coat of oil base dark walnut stain and wiped dry after 30 minutes. Next day three wet coats of raw Linseed oil rubbed in by hand. Next day one wet coat of drying linseed oil rubbed in by hand. It ain't presentation grade turkish walnut, but it ain't bad and the critters won't care...

The gun was bone dry of lubricant as it came out of the box. After a LIBERAL application of Break free and grease on the hing friction points the action will fall open, but no "looseness" exists. I think the hammer springs came off of the front end of a volkswagon or a 20mm anti aircraft gun. Cocking them requires some downward pressure for the last few gegrees of opening the action. The downward pressure required to open the action all the way is nothing new for an old double barrel SXS shotgun operator. I have a savage .410 SXS and used to have a 12 gauge SXS, they are the same way. You HAVE to cock the hammer springs somehow...

Function is flawless. After liberal and dripping lube job to the fire control group, the triggers are MUCH better. Still creepy but plenty manageable for what it is intended for. With the 350 Barnes TSX's at 1800fps it kicks about like a 20 gauge 870 with 2 3/4 slugs.

I found a hidden document on USSG's website through a Goggle search and it explains regulating these rifles. The first page of the PDF document is apparentyl written by some expert from the U.S. It explains the commonnly heard theory/method where one sights in the left barrel and then regulates the right barrel to the point of impact of the left barrel. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

I completely stripped it except for the fire control group and it became immediately obvious to me that the commonly advertised barrel regulation procedure was incorrect. The barrel regulation screw resides on the centerline between both barrels at a totally unsupported point. The screw pushes laterally and equally opposite on both barrels at the same time. The screw does nothing more than regulate both barrels laterally and equally at the same time. Simply put, when you move one barrel laterally, "in or out", the other barrel moves in or out as well. At least in theory and by design. The barrel screw ONLY determines the width of the spread of point of impact at a given distance on these rifles. Nothing more or nothing less. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...

Haven't had a chance to do much shooting with it yet. Waiting for a weekend when I have plenty of time. I'm attaching cell phone pics of the gun in final form. I'm also attaching a link to the USSG/Russian document. Page one of the document is someones rendition/translation of how to regulate. Page two is a mechanical blueprint of the rifle and apparently a direct translation of the Russin instructions for regulating the barrels. The instructions from one page to another are vastly different. It's no wonder everyone has been having hell tryin to regulate the barrels as page one describes.

See pics at below link.

http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g57/hound329/2012%20Baikal%20SXS%2045-70/

See USSG original document at below link.

http://www.eaacorp.com/Manuals/MP221_Barrel_Regulation.pdf

Mick


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