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Tell me Alan, do you sand down the last kernel of powder to make that .001 grain - or do you shave it with a scalpel?


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Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Tell me Alan, do you sand down the last kernel of powder to make that .001 grain - or do you shave it with a scalpel?


I think he meant 0.01gr. Rocky, and with that scale and this trickler it is doable:

http://www.uniquetek.com/site/696296/product/T1378

I know you will argue that this is silly but the 1000yd gang simply disagrees.

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The 1000-yard gang probably falls into that last 1% of shooters, no? For the other 99% of us, it IS silly.


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I use a RCBD 5-10. It's the very scale I grew up using and was given by my dad. It worked well then and works well now. A little alcohol soaked Q-tip to keep the pivot points clean before using it and it never fails me. Cheap and effective both it and me.


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I've settled on the RCBS 5-10.

Tried various digital scales and never felt confident enough not to check charges on the 5-10.


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Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Tell me Alan, do you sand down the last kernel of powder to make that .001 grain - or do you shave it with a scalpel?


LOL! Yeah, I see what you mean. TAK was correct. I meant .01 grain. I do shoot several sniper matches per year here in Utah that regularly go out to 900-1000 yds and the 24hr Sniper Challenge at the end of July up North of you this July is slated to out to 1200.

What I have noticed since using my Acculab VIC 123, I regularly and easily see single digit SD's from my loads. In Glen Zediker's "Handloading for Competition"

http://www.zediker.com/books/handloading/hlmain.html

he states his goal for the long stuff is to accept nothing more than a 12 SD load. Good advice.

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Gee, I'm still using the Texan balance beam scale I got in the early 70's. I've got a check weight set and check it fairly often without finding any errors. I don't weigh charges except to set up a nearly as old Lyman 55 powder measure, load for something like 11 different cartridges, and shoot lots of under 3/4 MOA 3 shot groups. Now I don't shoot 1000 yards, but the chronograph says I'm getting low ES so I guess I'm not doing that bad.

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I'm sure you're a talented shooter, Alan. I'm also sure that the rest of the painstaking loading operations you use have at least as much to do with those single-digit SD loads as your fastidiously weighed charges.


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digital scale have become very well known and are fast to use. Just create sure that the repeatability and quality is within regular relax running stages.i personally use this scale..doing good work

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I used the old Redding balance beam scale I bought in 1974 back when I weighed my powder charges. It still works okay.


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Originally Posted by RockyRaab
I'm sure you're a talented shooter, Alan. I'm also sure that the rest of the painstaking loading operations you use have at least as much to do with those single-digit SD loads as your fastidiously weighed charges.


You may be correct in part, precision reloading is about eliminating variables. Powder weight is one of those variables we can control and it does contribute to accuracy. The fact that we use digital scales successfully seems to be lost on some. Beam scales have the same issues with static charges and air currents as do electronic scales, and you shouldn't have a cell phone near a reloading bench regardless on the type of scale you're using.

The first reloading scale I bought was a 10-10... back in '82

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Originally Posted by dig111
digital scale have become very well known and are fast to use. Just create sure that the repeatability and quality is within regular relax running stages.i personally use this scale..doing good work


I have no problem using them, and creating sub MOA loads consistently, varying bullet weights and calibers.


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I have a Mettler. Probably cost around $3000.00 new. We shut down a lab and they were going to just throw it out with about a millions dollars worth of other stuff. I asked for it and brought it home. My "check weight" set probably cost more than most of the rifles people on here talk about-about $700.00. I still like my Ohause triple beam though. When I have to get real particular, I go to the office and use the balance there- it'll weigh gnat turds to two digits! LOL

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I've got several and favor the RCBS 10-10.

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I've been using the PACT for about eight years and it is always spot on. Nevertheless, I still check every now and then with check weights. Can't be too safe.


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Originally Posted by RockyRaab
ANY scale, beam or digital is more than good enough for reloading IF it was designed for reloading. I wouldn't buy one from a non-reloading source like a cheap import tool store.

It's also true that we obsess about exact powder weight MUCH more than we need to. Just because a sophisticated scale can weigh down to an individual powder kernel doesn't mean we NEED to do that. As I often analogize, what some of us do is like measuring firewood down to the 1/64th".


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One day I was weighing some H4350 on my RCBS CM. It over ran a bit and I was; "gasp", 0.1 over. I removed three kernals and it was right on. Out of curiosity I removed 3 more kernals and it read 0.1 under. So from - 0.1 to + o.1 was a total of 6 kernals of powder. I don't worry much if I get +/- 0.1 grains any more.


GSSP How many rounds do you run over the chrony to get your SD?


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My all time favorite was the Ohaus (later RCBS) "Dial A Grain". They were a lab grade scale with both speed and accuracy. Every now and then I see one on eBay, and the still bring big money.


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I use a Hornady balance beam scale and a Redding powder measure. After setup I will weigh every 5th round. My only exception is H4831SC which that powder measure just don't like. It is always at least a half grain off.


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The best purchase I ever made is my RCBS Charge Master! I have and like the Dillon balance beam and is there for back up.


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