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#6397279 - 04/11/12 Looking for .243 Ackley Improved loads  
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Need to get some loads going for my new Defiance .243AI. I've got some AI brass that fits the chamber well, so don't need to fireform for now. I'd like to try 85 grain tsx, 90 grain Nosler E-tips and 105 A-max's in it. Will be a deer rifle, so would prefer to max out velocities. Was thinking Magpro, RL17, H4831 and H414 might all be good powders?

What say you?

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Joe my 243ai likes rl22 and h1000 with heavy bullets. With the 85tsx try 4831. I've never tried rl17 yet but hear great things from brad. Don't over look the 95/105 vlds either.

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Joe,

243 AI has the same capacity as the 6mm Rem. Use that data.


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Thanks, David. I think I had read that somewhere before when waiting for my rifle. I found a few threads on here from Brad Arnett too with some 105 amax loads.

805 - thank you. I'll give the 4831 a whirl with the 85's. I know the VLD's have a strong following, but I sold all mine when I had a few blow up on the outside of a trophy muley in Montana a few years ago. Probably wouldn't happen again, but just one of those mental blocks my stubborn mind can't get around.


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When I posed that question to "Boxer" about the 105 AMAX he said:

"243 AI has the same capacity as the 6mm Rem (hint). RL22, CCI200, kiss, find pressure, rock on."


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Joe another bullet I really can't wait to try is the 90gr accubond. Hope its finally out soon. If u need any data or help pm me.

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I hear you on the 90 gr AB! I'll hopefully be the first to have some when they come out (a fraternity brother of mine is a VP there and is real good about hooking me up). I need to give him a call and see what the holdup is.

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The hold up is.... They're still trying to figure out what a 90 grain Accubond will do, that a 95NBT won't.... for half the price and a better BC.


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48gr of RL22 and the 105's. 3140 in my 24" 243ai. Accurate.


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Any updated loads?

I've been running Calvin's load and a duplicate using 7828 SSC.

Who has other loads for the 105/108 Bullets in an 8" twist Ackley?


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#11857473 - 02/26/17 Re: Looking for .243 Ackley Improved loads [Re: Killertraylor]  
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44gr of IMR4350 with moly 105's is stupid accurate, and gives 3120 fps in my match rifle. Essentially no temp variation in this particular load.


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Thanks Jordan


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#11875602 - 03/05/17 Re: Looking for .243 Ackley Improved loads [Re: Killertraylor]  
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Tanner said 47 grains of 7828 SSC under a 105 AMAX. Anyone else?


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I am running moly'd 105s and 7828SSC. I based my load work up on Tanner's info (along with others) and I wound up with 48.5gr.
I never did get around to shooting it across the chrono (haven't done much shooting or hunting in a while) but I'm also going to see how the Scenar and Berger Hybrids do too, hopefully soon.

All the info I gathered would indicate she's running pretty hot but I never had any warning signs and proceeded slowly.



Moly 105 Amax (kissing), 48.5gr 7828SSc, CCI BR2, Win. case


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Thanks!


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#11884057 - 03/08/17 Re: Looking for .243 Ackley Improved loads [Re: Killertraylor]  
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A good source with downloadable document on 243AI load data

http://www.angelfire.com/nd/243ackleyimproved/

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Those guys don't have too much info on the heavies, and I'm looking for 105 AMAX or 108 Hornady info.


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Originally Posted by David_Walter
Tanner said 47 grains of 7828 SSC under a 105 AMAX. Anyone else?


Why don't you try that? Do you want a good 243AI load or do you just enjoy gathering data?


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Originally Posted by Kaleb
Originally Posted by David_Walter
Tanner said 47 grains of 7828 SSC under a 105 AMAX. Anyone else?


Why don't you try that? Do you want a good 243AI load or do you just enjoy gathering data?


I am trying that. And 47.5 and 48 and 48.5

I'll probably try Jordan's load, and RL-17 around 44 grains.

I've found RL22 and 7828 SSC to be pretty much interchangable in the 45-48 grain range, so I probably won't buy RL22 again.

And trying all of the above with the 105 BTHP and the 105 AMAX.

I remember the load for this rifle from Tanner to be more stout than 47 grains, but can't find my notes from when I owned it before.



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So what's the rate of twist in your barrel?


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#11922292 - 03/23/17 Re: Looking for .243 Ackley Improved loads [Re: Killertraylor]  
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My .243 AI likes 41.5 H-4350 not a max load but very accurate with 105 Scenars, the best hunting combo I have found for pigs and white tails.

I have loaded R=22 but haven't shot it yet.

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Tanner,

Sorry I doubted you. Shot 1/2" groups today with 47.0 of 7828 SSC with the 105 BTHP and the 105 AMAX.

47.5 was good, 48 less so.

But the 47 grain load was the same POA for the AMAX and the BTHP at 100.

Thanks!

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#11930355 - 03/27/17 Re: Looking for .243 Ackley Improved loads [Re: Nail]  
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Originally Posted by Nail
I am running moly'd 105s and 7828SSC. I based my load work up on Tanner's info (along with others) and I wound up with 48.5gr.
I never did get around to shooting it across the chrono (haven't done much shooting or hunting in a while) but I'm also going to see how the Scenar and Berger Hybrids do too, hopefully soon.

All the info I gathered would indicate she's running pretty hot but I never had any warning signs and proceeded slowly.



Moly 105 Amax (kissing), 48.5gr 7828SSc, CCI BR2, Lapua case





Couldn't edit the post (too old) but details matter and I just now caught where I listed the wrong case. A minor thing more than likely but wanted to correct it.


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22" 1-7t, GFL case, Cci 200 RL 25 / 48.5 grn 105 HPBT 3030fps. (50grns wasn't accurate but hit 3100fps).

GFL case, CCI 200 imr7977 47grn 105 HPBT 3005fps. (Max load).

GFL case, CCI 200 H414 42.5 grn 105 HPBT 2945fps. (44 was max not accurate in my barrel).

GFL case, CCI 200 RL 25 48.7grn. 108 ELD-M 3020fps. (Shoots sub MOA to 950 furthest range to date with load).

GFL case, CCI 200 RL 17 45 grn. 108 ELD-M. ???? Fps. ( shoots -.5" at 100 yards).

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Hornady 105 hpbt - hbn coated
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48 gr RL 26 - 3,140 fps

43.5 gr RL 17 - 3,140 fps


Only fast twist rifles are interesting.

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Has anybody tried RL 26 or IMR 7977 with 100 grainers?


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Originally Posted by Higbean
Hornady 105 hpbt - hbn coated
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48 gr RL 26 - 3,140 fps

43.5 gr RL 17 - 3,140 fps





Here's to hoping the 45grains of RL17 hits 3200. That would do right fine now wouldn't it.

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44.5 gr hit 3,223 in mine in 70* weather.


Only fast twist rifles are interesting.

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Originally Posted by Higbean
44.5 gr hit 3,223 in mine in 70* weather.


I would take that.

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Temperature swings here would make me really nervous about 3,200+

108* tomorrow.


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Climate is a little more mellow at my latitude and longitude but it's headed for 100+ here as well. Might be a really good chance to see what that load will take/give. It was developed at about 65*. Might just load a few and run them for numbers hit the red line back off and see how it shoots for accuracy in the heat.

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Just got around to trying rl26. 105hpbt.

At 49.5.gns. I got 3208 fps. 1" at 100yards.
49 3155 fps. .665" at 100 yards. Coal was 2.765".
I'm sure once I get the rifle cleaned and in a touch less wind it will do even better.

But 3155 in a 22" barrel. Is more that I was hoping for.

Pretty sure that 50 grains would be about max.
I am using GFL brass a guy may snag another grain or two room in some Lapua and pick up 50 or 100 ft.

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Bumping this..I'd like more info on the latest powders with the latest VLD's. Especially interested in RL-26 and 108 E-match, but more info on all loads put in easy to find spot is never a bad thing. Keep posting them up fellas!


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The 108 was right at 3140 with 49 grains of RL 26. Shots lights out. Coal was 2.810

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A little suprised no one is using Retumbo, I have 2 .243 A.I. 1x8 24" rifles that really like it with 105, 107, 108, gr. Rio7

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What speeds was retumbo giving.

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Speeds avg. 3050 with both rifles, and the above bullets. Rio7

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Hitting 3200 with heavy brass and no pressure was a breeze with RL 26 my gun liked 49 grains at 3170fps. From a 22" barrel I'm sticking with 26
Lapua brass at 50 or 51 grains should get even better. Put the hurt on a yote at 494yards didn't do bad on the head shot. Lol.

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Good Shot, R-26 every place I look it's on back order, or they just don't have R-26, would like to have some to try. Rio7

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The 6 mm Br site has some loads for the heavier bullets but it was pre-Reloder 26. It works great in the standard .243 and I can't wait to trying on my next one a 6 mm AI. I think 3300 might be doable with 105s but I will probably hunt with 95 grain Noslers as I stocked up on those. Mine is 1 in 8 twist and I am curious if it will stabilize the 115s.


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I'm running 47.0gr R-26 in std 243, stock adl 24" with the Hornady 105 bthp and Amax in Win brass with 210M. Both shoot just below 3100, with the Amax a hair faster and a hair more accurate. I'd be running 26 in an AI too, with the heavies.

I used the Amax load on my deer last year. It was a bit softer than I expected. Shots were just over 400, and it took 3 to put him down. Only 2 made it through the on-side ribs and neither made it through the offside ribs. Slightly quartering away, big-bodied muley.


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