24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
-->
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 18,345
Steve Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 18,345
An amazing statistic

[Linked Image]


Quote

We hear all the time that the "rich don't pay their fair share of taxes" (123,000 Google search results for that phrase). Here's an analysis using recent IRS data that suggests otherwise.

1. In 2009, the top 400 taxpayers based on Adjusted Gross Income earned $81 billion as a group, and paid $16.1 billion in federal income taxes (see chart above).

2. In 2009, the bottom 50% of taxpayers, a group totaling 69 million, earned collectively more than $1 trillion and paid $19.5 billion in federal income taxes (see chart above).

Bottom Line: A small group of 400 of America's most successful earners in 2009, about the number of residents living in a typical apartment building in Washington, D.C., paid almost as much in federal income taxes as the entire bottom half of America's 138 million tax filers, which is a population equivalent to the combined number of residents living in America's 29 least populated states, plus the District of Columbia. What makes this disparity possible is the fact that an estimated 47% of individual income tax returns filed in 2009 had a zero or negative tax liability.

When you have only 400 Americans paying almost as much in federal income taxes as the entire bottom 50% of American filing income tax returns, I think we can dismiss any notion of the rich not paying their fair share of taxes. In fact, the IRS should publish the names and addresses of the Top 400 (or to protect anonymity, agree to provide a forwarding service), so that we can all send them "Thank You" letters to express our gratitude for shouldering such a disproportionate share of our collective tax burden.


Carpe' Scrotum
GB1

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 21,810
D
djs Offline
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
D
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 21,810
Let's look at it this way, using your numbers:

- the TOP 400 earners paid 19.8% of their income in taxes.
- the BOTTOM 50% of earners paid 19.5% of their income in taxes.

Unmentioned is those between the bottom 50% and the top 400 (probably the (0.0001%) - they are the ones bearing the brunt.

I am just below the top 1% in earnings and within the top 1% in wealth, and I feel that top earners can and should pay more to support the nation.


Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 10,591
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 10,591
You are free to write a check to the government anytime you feel motivated to do so.


"Don't believe everything you see on the Internet" - Abraham Lincoln
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 11,663
2
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
2
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 11,663
Originally Posted by djs
Let's look at it this way, using your numbers:

- the TOP 400 earners paid 19.8% of their income in taxes.
- the BOTTOM 50% of earners paid 19.5% of their income in taxes.

Unmentioned is those between the bottom 50% and the top 400 (probably the (0.0001%) - they are the ones bearing the brunt.

I am just below the top 1% in earnings and within the top 1% in wealth, and I feel that top earners can and should pay more to support the nation.


http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html
Happy to help.


Broncos are officially the worst team in the nation this year.
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 10,591
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 10,591
From the URL:

Quote
Citizens who wish to make a general donation to the U.S. government may send contributions to a specific account called "Gifts to the United States." This account was established in 1843 to accept gifts, such as bequests, from individuals wishing to express their patriotism to the United States.


"Don't believe everything you see on the Internet" - Abraham Lincoln
IC B2

Joined: May 2008
Posts: 16,540
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 16,540
Who's to say DJS hasn't sent a check, or even several checks, as gifts to the Gov't?

Why avoid his main point?

The middle 49.99% of the people bear the brunt.

I will add that it is shocking to me that 400 people have almost the same income as everyone in the bottom 50% (69 million people according to the post!!) of taxpayers!

Last edited by nsaqam; 06/07/12.

The Chosin Few November to December 1950, Korea.
I'm not one of the Chosin Few but no more remarkable group of Americans ever existed.
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 52,680
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 52,680
flat tax across the board is the way to go.


Liberalism is a mental disorder that leads to social disease.
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 59
Campfire Greenhorn
Offline
Campfire Greenhorn
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 59
DJS...Since when is 19.5 billion 19.5% of 1.05 TRILLION?

Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 441
G
Campfire Member
Offline
Campfire Member
G
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 441
There is a math issue here. The bottom 50% did NOT pay 19.5% of their income in taxes.....they paid 1.9% of their income in taxes. Likewise they did not earn roughly the same as the top 400....they earned over 10 times that amount.

If you look close, the top 400 earned $81 billion. (On the graph it looks like 881 billion, but the first character is actually a dollar sign.) Wheras the lower 50% earned $1.05 trillion (or a thousand billion).

Edit: looks like others also spotted the math errors.

Last edited by Gregdoo; 06/07/12. Reason: Slow typist
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 18,345
Steve Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 18,345
Shhhhh... Don't tell DJS about his math error. He thinks he's almost a 1%'er, too.


Carpe' Scrotum
IC B3

Joined: May 2003
Posts: 48,411
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 48,411
Originally Posted by djs
Let's look at it this way, using your numbers:

- the TOP 400 earners paid 19.8% of their income in taxes.
- the BOTTOM 50% of earners paid 19.5% of their income in taxes.

Unmentioned is those between the bottom 50% and the top 400 (probably the (0.0001%) - they are the ones bearing the brunt.

I am just below the top 1% in earnings and within the top 1% in wealth, and I feel that top earners can and should pay more to support the nation.



I hope your job doesn't involve math or reading graphs....you might want to try those numbers again.


Proudly representing oil companies, defense contractors, and firearms manufacturers since 1980. Because merchants of death need lawyers, too.
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 17,042
K
krp Offline
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
K
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 17,042
Add the 50% of americans that pay no tax...

Kent

Joined: May 2003
Posts: 48,411
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 48,411
Originally Posted by nsaqam
Who's to say DJS hasn't sent a check, or even several checks, as gifts to the Gov't?

Why avoid his main point?

The middle 49.99% of the people bear the brunt.

I will add that it is shocking to me that 400 people have almost the same income as everyone in the bottom 50% (69 million people according to the post!!) of taxpayers!


someone else needs to go to remedial math and graph reading school. and no, my friend, the group that bears the brunt is the top 25%, who pay more than 85% of all personal income taxes.


Proudly representing oil companies, defense contractors, and firearms manufacturers since 1980. Because merchants of death need lawyers, too.
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,847
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 28,847
Quote
my friend, the group that bears the brunt is the top 25%, who pay more than 85% of all personal income taxes.


Bingo!


"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
Everyday Hunter
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 14,076
H
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
H
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 14,076
Originally Posted by djs
Let's look at it this way, using your numbers:

- the TOP 400 earners paid 19.8% of their income in taxes.
- the BOTTOM 50% of earners paid 1.95% of their income in taxes.

Unmentioned is those between the bottom 50% and the top 400 (probably the (0.0001%) - they are the ones bearing the brunt.

I am just below the top 1% in earnings and within the top 1% in wealth, and I feel that top earners can and should pay more to support the nation.



Liberals even change math to make their point.








Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 52,680
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 52,680
Originally Posted by djs
Let's look at it this way, using your numbers:

- the TOP 400 earners paid 19.8% of their income in taxes.
- the BOTTOM 50% of earners paid 19.5% of their income in taxes.

Unmentioned is those between the bottom 50% and the top 400 (probably the (0.0001%) - they are the ones bearing the brunt.

I am just below the top 1% in earnings and within the top 1% in wealth, and I feel that top earners can and should pay more to support the nation.



You're numbers are screwed up.....besides they can quit fuggin spending and the welfare rats can go get a fuggin job.


Liberalism is a mental disorder that leads to social disease.
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 19,722
1
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
1
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 19,722
Originally Posted by djs
Let's look at it this way, using your numbers:

- the TOP 400 earners paid 19.8% of their income in taxes.
- the BOTTOM 50% of earners paid 19.5% of their income in taxes.

Unmentioned is those between the bottom 50% and the top 400 (probably the (0.0001%) - they are the ones bearing the brunt.

I am just below the top 1% in earnings and within the top 1% in wealth, and I feel that top earners can and should pay more to support the nation.



Fact is most people under $40K a year pay near zero or get money back.


NRA Lifetime Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 16,540
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 16,540
DOH!!!!

I read that as $881 billion.


The Chosin Few November to December 1950, Korea.
I'm not one of the Chosin Few but no more remarkable group of Americans ever existed.
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 21,810
D
djs Offline
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
D
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 21,810
Originally Posted by nsaqam
Who's to say DJS hasn't sent a check, or even several checks, as gifts to the Gov't?

Why avoid his main point?

The middle 49.99% of the people bear the brunt.

I will add that it is shocking to me that 400 people have almost the same income as everyone in the bottom 50% (69 million people according to the post!!) of taxpayers!


And, that was my point. The poorest can't pay much; they just don't have it. The middle class can (and should) pay taxes, but they are stressed with daily expenses. The wealthiest can pay more (although I recognize they too have limits); how many 150' yachts can they use at one time.

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 21,810
D
djs Offline
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
D
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 21,810
Originally Posted by 17ACKLEYBEE
Originally Posted by djs
Let's look at it this way, using your numbers:

- the TOP 400 earners paid 19.8% of their income in taxes.
- the BOTTOM 50% of earners paid 19.5% of their income in taxes.

Unmentioned is those between the bottom 50% and the top 400 (probably the (0.0001%) - they are the ones bearing the brunt.

I am just below the top 1% in earnings and within the top 1% in wealth, and I feel that top earners can and should pay more to support the nation.




Fact is most people under $40K a year pay near zero or get money back.


Who pays little or no taxes in the USA? see: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505

Last edited by djs; 06/08/12.
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
AX24

577 members (007FJ, 10Glocks, 16penny, 10gaugemag, 10ring1, 12344mag, 53 invisible), 2,280 guests, and 1,149 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,191,247
Posts18,466,921
Members73,925
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 


Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.113s Queries: 15 (0.006s) Memory: 0.8969 MB (Peak: 1.0547 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-04-24 22:48:49 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS