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I am considering one for my 8 year old daughter.I'm not sure yet if I want the 223 or 7.62X39.I am interested in a mild recoiling,light weight deer rifle.

What good factory deer loads will shoot well in the short 1:12 twist 223? I know we won't be shooting over 100 yards so I am sure it is enough to get the job done.I am just interested in what good factory loadings it will shoot well.I am very interested in the TSX factory loads from this rifle.

Also does anyone think the 7.62 is a much better choice? I haven't researched good ammo for it but I think it is more limited in choices.

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7.62x39 has a few nice deer offerings out lately. Midway shows 123 gr TSX from Corbon and Doubletap. Should do very well on deer.

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For an 8-year old, I would go with the .223 if you're not a handloader. My 7-year old great nephew (?) has taken game up to the size of red deer with his using factory ammo.


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Do you know what factory loads he used or do you have any idea which loads his rifle shot well?

Do you think the 7.62X39 would have too much recoil or is your decision based on fewer loads available?

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Sounds good to me.Might as well make it stainless too.Also go ahead and modify the bolt to clear a lower mounted scope.

Only problem is,it would then cost $1200 and I would have other options.They have already nearly priced the standard 527 Carbine out of my consideration.It was a lot better deal at $475-$500.

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I really want a 527 carbine in 7.62 also!


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I would love to have one in 6mm-204, but I would like a .223 also. Think a 60 grain partition or 53 grain Barnes would work well?

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How about 22 Hornet and go for neck shots?


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I got a 7.62X39 to use a a grandkid rifle. Acquired a second stock and cut it down so we all could use it. I tried handloads with 308 and 310 bullets in various weights and the little carbine shot them ALL well.

Then, two years ago, well before my grandkids got big enuf to hunt, I made the mistake of loaning it to a coworker for his son's first deer hunt. Of course, he busted his first two deer with it (using my handloads with 150 gr 30-30 FP bullets) and insisted his dad buy it for him! This was after I told his dad he could borrow it, but that it WAS NOT for sale!

The dang kid begged me to let him have it so, in a weak moment, I did. Then I had to turn around and find me another one. It is shooting just as well or better than the first one and is waiting for the oldest gk to use, maybe this year.

In case you haven't figured it out yet, I think the 527 in 7.62X39 makes a dandy starter rifle.....as well as an old geezer rifle, too!

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I have one of the 7.62's and can't praise it enough. It is my favorite "fun gun". It shoots crap-o surplus stuff into an inch and Lapua soft points into 3/4". I have only killed one deer with it thus far but it was a bang-flop. I suppose the .223 would be a little lighter in recoil but the 7.62 just seems like a much better deer killer for the slight difference in recoil. I don't have kids but if I did, the 7.62 would likely be what I'd put in their hands.

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I have one in 222 and it's a fun little rifle. I've packed it bear hunting a few times but haven't shot any deer with it. My daughter really likes it.

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The .223 is where it's at for youth rifles. Especially for young kids. It's really made me a believer! Good bullets for deer, and plenty of target practice.

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I bought one in 7.62x39 when they were inexpensive for my daughter when she was 9 years old. She is very petit and now at 19 is barely 5 feet tall and weighs 95 pounds...so at 9 she was tiny. She has used that rifle to kill 5 whitetails stone dead with one shot from 25 out to 168 yards. She and her younger sister each used it to kill black bears. They both used it in Africa to kill impala and blesbok. I have killed 4 whitetails with it and all have been one shot kills. Ammo for all animals was cheap Russian bi-metal 123 grain Golden or Brown Bear loads. I have recently been shooting some Hornady Steel Case in it and they will shoot around an inch or less. It will not always fire Winchester or Remington factory soft point ammo without replacing the factory firing pin spring.

If there was ever a perfect first hunting gun for kids a CZ 527 in 7.62x39 is it. Cheap ammo to encourage practice, not picky about ammo as everything I have shot is hunting accurate, light recoil, light weight, well proportioned for kids and women, good balance-expecially with a Leupold fixed 4 power scope, durable and lethal. I prefer a 30 caliber hole and exit to a .223 any day...especially for deer body shots which is what most kids should be taking.

My brother has a full stock in 223. I like the rifle and it is very accurate. I have used it to kill a deer and seen him shot 2 bucks with the rifle. I am not impressed with .223 performance on deer and would not pick that caliber for kids.

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I think a 537 kevlar in 7.62x39 with a 16" tube would be a bang-up seller.


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I've had one of the Remington 799 models for several years. Overall it is the rifle I grab most.

As others said, I use .308, .310 and .312 bullets for different loads. Most of my loads are at , or less than 2,000 fps.

It really groups the Winchester 123gr soft points well and I bought 2 cases.

I left the 799 at my Ky. home. I bought a CZ 527 carbine yesterday for Tx.

I ordered a Weaver 1-3x20 and a set of lower mounts for it earlier today.

The trigger was crap out of the box. It took all of 10 minutes to adjust to a very nice pull with zero creep.

Now to find one in .22 hornet or .222 Rem.

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What lower rings will you be using? The need to mount a scope higher for bolt clearence was a major turn off for me on this rifle.If not for that issue,it would be one of my top choices.

I would love to see some pictures of the rig when you get a chance.

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I used the Warnes on a .223. I'm going to try the Milletts on this one, just to see how they work.

I may contour the bolt root a little if needed. New bolt handles for the 527 are cheap. If I screw it up I'll just order a new one.

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Are the Millets lighter than thoes chunky Warnes?

I would like to see your bolt work.I would strongly consider the 527 if I could mount a scope low.

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