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I'm not a purist in most things where practicality trumps it -- my Blaser K1 is chambered in the rimless 30/06 though I comsidered the 7x64R -- but with a double rifle it seems almost a tiny blasphemy to chamber it for a belted cartridge, but..

That 293-gr load is a pretty warm one is it not? Yea, the 9.3x74R is truly a leggy one.

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Yeah, the 293 H-Mantel load is listed at just a hair under 2400 fps, about like my 286-grain handload--which is no doubt why it also regulates in my rifle. This is a little less than the .375 Flanged 300-grain load but not enough to matter in the real world.

If I were going to buy a double rifle with more power than the 9.3x74R or .375 Flanged, I'd probably go with the .450/.400 3". In fact I've twice come very close to buying one, and did own a Ruger No. 1 .450/.400 for a while. It's easy to load for, brass and bullets are relatively easy to buy these days, and doesn't kick any more than a .375 H&H. And you've got the real ballistic advantage of a 400-grain, .40-caliber bullet.


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I have been thinking 450/400 3" NE or( 400 Jeffrey) for awhile and I found a beaut. I have been dithering over it for a week or so but if you are interested, PM me and I'll give you the lead. Heaven help me what I use it for; a fancy bird gun would at least be gaimfully employed in my little corner.

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Thanks for the offer! But I'm not really all that interested anymore, as I can pay for a lot of other stuff (including another safari) for the price of a .450/.400 double.

The first one I almost bought would have been worth it, though. It was a Manton belonging to a friend. It shot great when I worked up some handloads for it, and he said he'd offer it to me if he ever sold it. Instead he sold it for $6000 to somebody else--which was a steal.

The other one I considered was a good British boxlock, but can't remember the maker. It needed a little tightening and the asking price was $14,000. Probably could have gotten it for a little less, which would have been a decent deal, but instead I decided my CZ .416 Rigby kills buffalo just fine.


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Hi George,

The RWS loadind datas for the 19g Tug or UNI, today's name of the bullet, is not warm cause it complies to the CIP proof (43900psi).
This load can be used in any good shape 9,3x74R double, combination or single. Recoil can be stout because of lightness and stock shape of old rifles.

The pressure is held low because of the very old break open firearms from the biginning of 20th century. Note, that most of these old ones are surely used in your country than in Europe. Being, for the most part of them, retired from service here.

As modern firearms that shoot this old cartridge are proofed for the new 30R Blaser which use the same type of case to 60000psi (even more)it's easy for the skilled, conscious, intelligent handloader to push the 9,3x74R a bit, like some do with the 9,3x62.
Will never be a magnum but in a single shot can flatten a bit the bullet flight.
With Woodleigh and Norma 320/325grs bullet it's easy to get close to the old british standard 360n�2 around 2200fps in a double without going more to 52/53000psi. Enough for most big game, to and including buffalos.

So as said JB why bother with 375 Flanged and it's more expensive cases, dies and rifle. But if you're a loony....

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Writing frog, thanks for your input. I've been convinced that if I "double up" again it will be for the long, tall 9.3.

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Was just looking at the 2012 Nosler catalog, and noticed they offer the .375 Flanged in their Safari Ammunition line, with the 300-grain Partition and Solid at 2400 fps. Maybe gettng ammo and brass is more practical than I thought!


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I didn't need to know that. grin

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Neither did I!


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Me either
Especially the rifle Jorge refered to

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Well, since I have a 9.3x74R double that regulates great with 286's at 2400 or so, I might be able to restrain myself.


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Restraint-
definition : lack of ability to create an excuse for need or justification for purchase
Example: The acquisition of the 9.3 WSSSM filled a need for a big bore open site prairie dog gun.

Restraint has been known to be present when looneyrifleolopolis condition makes decision making along rational lines thereby saving oodles of money. This condition is ireversable and often leads to selling off all firearms except a 30/06 with a 4x Bushnel scope

Might lead to vegetarianism

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I've found a good formula for restraint (for now...) Safari or new Verney-Carron in 375 Flanged? smile


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What did that VC weigh you saw at DSC

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thr 375 Flanged? I think a tad over nine lb but don't hold me to that. Regardless, Ken and Jerome will build it to your specs. I asked for my 450 to weigh 10.5lb and it came in at 10.48. I dind't hold the discrepancy against them smile


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
thr 375 Flanged? I think a tad over nine lb but don't hold me to that. Regardless, Ken and Jerome will build it to your specs. I asked for my 450 to weigh 10.5lb and it came in at 10.48. I dind't hold the discrepancy against them smile


It sounds like they we're allowing for a little African dust for proper balance smile

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