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Maybe try another lube?? My 338 seems to be one of the easier rounds to size in terms of the pressure that it takes to get the sized case out of the die. Also, with semis, often times you may want a small base sizing die. Semi autos won't have the camming power of a bolt action, and many standard length sizing dies leave the base of your brass a little enlarged from the last firing. This could be a disaster in a platform that will fire when not totally in battery, such as an M1. Your AR platorm won't give you that problem.
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I have a good laod for my Montana with the 200 Interlock now. It is a max load accordng to the Hodgdon website consisting of 47.0 grains of 8208, a WLR primer, and 308 Win R-P Brass.
The load went through the chronograph at an average of 2627 fps with a sandard deviation of 7.23 fps and an extreme spread of 16 fps. This is coming from a factory, 22" Kimber barrel.
This load hovers around MOA in my Montana. Some groups a little less, some a little more.
I think this bullet coupled with the Federals mild velocities will make the best combination to suit my interests, and the Interlock bullets are readily avialable and inexpensive to boot.
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Hey guys just joined the campfire cause of this thread!! I picked up a safe queen-Kimber 84M Classic 338 fed. with a Zeiss 3x9-40 Conquest Rapid Z 600 on it for $800!! I generally shoot big power houses with extremely high B.C. bullets but this little gun won my heart over and I needed a new toy to play with. I just got done truing a batch a federal brass and plan on doing some extensive load development with the 160 ttsx, H4198, H322 and benchmark. I'll post my results as soon as I get to the range.
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I have a good laod for my Montana with the 200 Interlock now. It is a max load accordng to the Hodgdon website consisting of 47.0 grains of 8208, a WLR primer, and 308 Win R-P Brass.
The load went through the chronograph at an average of 2627 fps with a sandard deviation of 7.23 fps and an extreme spread of 16 fps. This is coming from a factory, 22" Kimber barrel.
This load hovers around MOA in my Montana. Some groups a little less, some a little more.
I think this bullet coupled with the Federals mild velocities will make the best combination to suit my interests, and the Interlock bullets are readily avialable and inexpensive to boot. Ought to work! ...load development with the 160 ttsx, H4198, H322 and benchmark. Curious how H322 does. Only tried AA2230 so far. It works fantastic in terms of speed & accuracy, but always like the Hodgdon extreme powders for stability. Don't know what temp stability AA2230 is, but it's a normal ball powder.
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Great info. Just got my Rem 700 LVSF (22" bbl) back from being punched out from 22-250 to 338 Federal. Can't wait to try some of these loads out.
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I've looked through most of the pages and sure it's already been asked but what bullets are similar to the Federal Fusions? I have a T/C that luv's the 200gr and I'd like to stick with a very similar bullet. If anyone can help I'd appreciate it. Also, has anyone tried the Ramshot Hunter in 338 Federal yet, and if so, how'd it perform?
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Does anyone have any (on game) experience with the 160gr Barnes ttsx? I would like to try them on deer size game, any thoughts? I loaded up a bunch of 160TTSX last year and used them exclusively during last years hunting season. Accuracy was excellent from my Ruger. I killed 3 deer and 6 hogs with them. Nothing ran more than about 25 yards. No bullets were recovered, including one that I shot quartering through about a 220 pound hog - took out front shoulder and opposite side ham, kept going. This was my fastest drop of all the animals taken. The big hog just flopped down dead on the spot. My buck was a smaller management deer and he ran at full speed for about 25 yards before dropping out. Both does and most of the hogs traveled a few yards, fell, got up, circled, fell again, etc. Certainly can't complain with the performance, all game recovered. Still, IMO they are still to heavily built for deer hunting. I have seemingly got a lot more/quicker "bang flops" using 150grn SST's out of my 30-06. This has prompted me to develop a 200grn SST load for my 338Fed. I'm getting very good accuracy with this bullet in my rifle and will hunt with it this year for comparison sake. HTH David
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Great info. Just got my Rem 700 LVSF (22" bbl) back from being punched out from 22-250 to 338 Federal. Can't wait to try some of these loads out. Who did the re-bore? I'm having similar thoughts.
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I tried the 200 sst on deer. It worked but came apart.
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I tried the 200 sst on deer. It worked but came apart. Sounds Perfect! David
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I tried the 200 sst on deer. It worked but came apart. Can you elaborate a bit? Good penetration or pretty explosive? They have shot well for me but seemed very fragile in my informal bullet tests. A little fragile may not necessarily be a bad thing with deer.
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I made a bad shot. Hit the last rib and came out between his legs. Left about a 5 inch hole coming out. Threw a small piece of lead all the way through a ham. Blew up everything inside. Made a heck of a thump when it hit. I would use it again on deer but it is primarily a hog gun so I switched to 185gr ttsx. Don't remember the load with the sst but it was doing 2585 out of a 20" barrel.
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Finally got some time to shoot, and well I'm not exactly impressed with any thing at this point, can't get anything to be consistent especially the groups. This little sucker is extremely difficult for me to shoot. I'm use to guns around that 10 lb range with scope etc.. I've lightened the trigger up substantially, and I bear hug the piss out of it to keep it from wiggling in the sand bags. Guess I'll try benchmark and tac next and if nothing comes together the gun will be gone. Here is what I have so far.
All were with federal 210 match primers 160 TTSX and H322 47.5 2.835 OAL 2885 avg velocity >2" 47.5 2.820 OAL 2905 avg velocity 1.25" 47.5 2.800 OAL 2900 avg velocity 1.25" 48.0 2.820 OAL 2890 avg velocity >2" 48.0 2.800 OAL 2955 avg velocity >2" 48.5 2.820 OAL 2895 avg velocity >2" 48.5 2.800 OAL 2910 avg velocity >2"
160 TTSX and H4198 41.8 2.835 OAL 2820 avg >2" 41.8 2.820 OAL 2824 avg >2" 41.8 2.805 OAL 2810 avg >2" 42.1 2.835 OAL 2840 avg >2" 42.1 2.820 OAL 2844 avg >2" 42.1 2.805 OAL 2820 avg >2" 42.5 2.835 OAL 2856 avg >2" 42.5 2.820 OAL 2880 avg >2" 42.5 2.805 OAL 2867 avg >2"
180 Accubond and H322 44.8 2.835 OAL 2725 avg >2" 44.8 2.820 OAL 2735 avg 1.75" 44.8 2.800 OAL 2733 avg 1" couldn't duplicate again(3 attempts) 45.3 2.815 OAL 2775 avg 1.75" 45.3 2.805 OAL 2765 avg >2" 45.6 2.820 OAL 2780 avg >2" 45.6 2.805 OAL 2785 avg >2"
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I've been shooting the 185 ttsx on top of imr8208 with good luck. Less than one inch measured outside to outside at 2700 fps from a 20" barrel. Been seating them to magazine length in a save action
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Finally got some time to shoot, and well I'm not exactly impressed with any thing at this point, can't get anything to be consistent especially the groups. This little sucker is extremely difficult for me to shoot. I'm use to guns around that 10 lb range with scope etc.. I've lightened the trigger up substantially, and I bear hug the piss out of it to keep it from wiggling in the sand bags. Guess I'll try benchmark and tac next and if nothing comes together the gun will be gone. Here is what I have so far.
All were with federal 210 match primers 160 TTSX and H322 47.5 2.835 OAL 2885 avg velocity >2" 47.5 2.820 OAL 2905 avg velocity 1.25" 47.5 2.800 OAL 2900 avg velocity 1.25" 48.0 2.820 OAL 2890 avg velocity >2" 48.0 2.800 OAL 2955 avg velocity >2" 48.5 2.820 OAL 2895 avg velocity >2" 48.5 2.800 OAL 2910 avg velocity >2"
160 TTSX and H4198 41.8 2.835 OAL 2820 avg >2" 41.8 2.820 OAL 2824 avg >2" 41.8 2.805 OAL 2810 avg >2" 42.1 2.835 OAL 2840 avg >2" 42.1 2.820 OAL 2844 avg >2" 42.1 2.805 OAL 2820 avg >2" 42.5 2.835 OAL 2856 avg >2" 42.5 2.820 OAL 2880 avg >2" 42.5 2.805 OAL 2867 avg >2"
180 Accubond and H322 44.8 2.835 OAL 2725 avg >2" 44.8 2.820 OAL 2735 avg 1.75" 44.8 2.800 OAL 2733 avg 1" couldn't duplicate again(3 attempts) 45.3 2.815 OAL 2775 avg 1.75" 45.3 2.805 OAL 2765 avg >2" 45.6 2.820 OAL 2780 avg >2" 45.6 2.805 OAL 2785 avg >2"
Have another shooter try a group or two?
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Yeah we did that this morning with the accubond load. I just double checked everything to make sure it was tight and it is. I guess I'll just rebarrel it and put a bigger scope on it;)
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I'd be curious what some Tubbs Final Finish would do? I assume the crown is fine and the stock isn't making inconsistent contact. Or, just rebarrel it like you said and be done with it.
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Woodtick,
I wouldn't give up on it yet, may take more load development. Also, Kimbers heat up fast because of the thin barrel so time between shots and outside temp will greatly influence group size.
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Yep, that's why I've never regretted putting a varmint contour on my Savage. The bigger bore and barrel flutes kept the weight within reason (about 11 lbs with scope) and I don't waste time waiting for the barrel to cool down.
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11 lbs with in reason???WOW
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