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Originally Posted by JTPinTX
I bought a new Glock 19 last week, it is a Gen 3. With the slide locked back I can load a full magazine and if I slap it in decently hard the slide will come forward and chamber a round without me touching the slide release or racking the slide. I have never heard of a Glock doing this, but admittedly I am new to the Glock platform. What say you guys? Something that needs to be fixed, or normal?

Normal. A very nice feature.

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It would drive me nuts and I would fix it. I don't want my pistol doing anything I don't tell it to. I'm not interested in maybe-maybe not-auto-slide-release.


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Originally Posted by wildhobbybobby
A power stroke or "slingshot" to release the slide does not take any more time when reloading than using the slide stop does, since your support hand is already right there after the magazine change.


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It is a surer method when under stress because of the gross motor skill vs. fine motor skill dynamic.


No different than hitting the safety on a rifle, shotgun, or handgun, or releasing a magazine.


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Originally Posted by JOG
Originally Posted by wildhobbybobby
A power stroke or "slingshot" to release the slide does not take any more time when reloading than using the slide stop does, since your support hand is already right there after the magazine change.


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It is a surer method when under stress because of the gross motor skill vs. fine motor skill dynamic.


No different than hitting the safety on a rifle, shotgun, or handgun, or releasing a magazine.


Agreed, and will add that finessing the trigger correctly is most definitely a fine motor skill. If you can't operate the slide release under stress, I'm guessing your trigger "press" isn't going to amount to much either. Dumbing down the curriculum rather than training up the student has never made sense to me, but I know it's commonplace.


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A good article on the fine vs gross motor skill topic as it relates to operating a pistol:

http://pistol-training.com/archives/160

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Good link. TG nails it.


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I will have to Slap my mag and see what happens

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I disagree with the link. The Glock slide release is small and easy to miss when under stress. The slingshot method is surer and faster for the average shooter. Experts do fine either way.

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The original question had to do with Glock pistols and in that regard, Gaston Glock designed the feature to be a "slide stop" in the purest sense. In stock form, it's very difficult to manipulate as a means of lowering the slide. The Vickers Tactical option addresses this perceived deficiency pretty well, I think. If you have trouble with the stock slide stop, this is an easy fix.

As to which method is best to lower the slide; depressing the slide stop or manually unlocking the slide, well it sorta depends. Many folks have a hard time reaching the slide stop/release unless the part has been extended to modified, so manually lower the slide is their only option. But the truth is, the only time the fraction of a second advantage one method has over the other is in some purely sporting application or in the mind of the pseudo-commando.

There ain't never been a gunfight won or lost by using one method over the other.


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Originally Posted by 41magfan
Just a suggestion:

I wouldn't make a habit of "mag-slamming" to drop the slide on a loaded magazine. It's not uncommon for the top round in the magazine to come loose and orient itself improperly towards the chamber - thereby causing a shooter induced malfunction. When this occurs the stoppage often resembles a stove-pipe with a loaded round.


You're exactly correct. I've seen it happen also. People who watch too many cops-'n-robbers teeeveee shows and movies think that because the "hero" does it and proceeds to smoke all the bad guys poste haste, it is the "now" thing to do. laugh

Big mistake.

Just firmly seating the magazine is all that is necessary.

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Originally Posted by JustOneGunner

Do you compete, or are you just using it defensively?



I was running the June Campfire drill. The combination of ripping the magazine out and pulling the slide back to release it was a bit too much. I have never had trouble tripping the lever on any other semi-auto, including the Sig P238 .380 I used for the same drill with substantially better results.


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My G 34 will do it.
My G 20 will not.
I was suprised when the 9mm did it the first time.
Now I like it and use it well.


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Originally Posted by JTPinTX
I bought a new Glock 19 last week, it is a Gen 3. With the slide locked back I can load a full magazine and if I slap it in decently hard the slide will come forward and chamber a round without me touching the slide release or racking the slide. I have never heard of a Glock doing this, but admittedly I am new to the Glock platform. What say you guys? Something that needs to be fixed, or normal?


It happens all the time in most semi autos if the force used to insert the magazine is large enough. It's happened to me in both Glocks and H&K's during competition and requal.


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It's fairly normal. Nothing to be worried about, IMO.


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Another thing to consider is that there are pistols without slide stops, ones in very different locations, ones with varying degrees of pressure needed to depress them...

Whereas a powerstroke will work on very nearly every pistol ever made.

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The magazine slam is fun as a range stunt, but a poor technique to consider for survival trsining. A serious shooter should practice both the power stroke/slingshot method (for use as a primary technique) and the use of the slide stop as an alternate for situations where the weapon must be used one-handed.


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Originally Posted by wildhobbybobby

2. Most shooters I have observed will instinctively rack the slide after it closes and will eject a round from the chamber, especially if they have been trained to "slingshot" the slide rather than use the slide stop.


That's why it's called the slide stop, or slide lock-back lever, and not the reload button. Grab the slide over the top, or slingshot it to load/re-load, either way is correct. The slide-stop lever is just for that - stopping the slide in the rearward position.

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Originally Posted by 222Rem
...Dumbing down the curriculum rather than training up the student has never made sense to me, but I know it's commonplace.

Agreed! But the EEOC (Eventual Eradication Of Caucasians) has forced that very practice on Law Enforcement Agencies across the Nation.

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Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Originally Posted by JustOneGunner

Do you compete, or are you just using it defensively?



I was running the June Campfire drill. The combination of ripping the magazine out and pulling the slide back to release it was a bit too much. I have never had trouble tripping the lever on any other semi-auto, including the Sig P238 .380 I used for the same drill with substantially better results.


It sounds like you need some drop free mags, brother.

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Originally Posted by wildhobbybobby
The magazine slam is fun as a range stunt, but a poor technique to consider for survival trsining. A serious shooter should practice both the power stroke/slingshot method (for use as a primary technique) and the use of the slide stop as an alternate for situations where the weapon must be used one-handed.


Personally, though I understand how the stop works on my current sidearm, I train to rack it off of the rear sight by hooking it on my belt. If I ever end up with a gun with Novak sights, I can push the front into the back of my boot. I prefer to train this way because it'll work for very nearly any pistol I might pick up.

On my 1911, also, I have grip tape along the top of the slide. If I can't get it to work on my belt for some reason, it'll grip my pantleg.

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