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Wow! I feel really bummed now. I was thinking this BRNO in 257 Roberts would be a great rifle for Muleys/Blacktails up to about 300 yds, but after reading what Savage 99 says, I think I better dump it!! I will go back to my 250-3000, I know its a proven killer!
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i use a 257 roberts for whitetail, never had a problem with it. i use handloads, 115gr nosler BTs
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Kenster99, that BRNO is a very nice looking rifle!
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To the OP. I have a Model 70 XTR in .257 Roberts. It was my first rifle, given to me by my father. It also took my first deer. Mine shoot 120 partitions into tight little groups. Not that you need a 120 grain partition for whitetail. I really love the cartridge and would recommend it to anyone. It's usually the rifle I use to introduce friends into centerfire rifles after they get used to a 22LR.
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Shot a 185lbs. 8pt with my Remington 722 last year and watched him drop within 50yds.
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I'm a fan of all quarter bores especially the 25-35, the 250-3000 and the 257 Roberts. Just picked up an Win. M70 XTR in the "Bob" recently. Plan to shoot 100 gr. TSXs in 257 +P loadings. I'll get pics up in the next few days after I scope the rifle.
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It's on the short list of cartridges for my son - when I decide to surprise him with a new rifle. . My son is 3.5 yrs old and got his firs 257roberts at two. Kimber w/zeiss 2.5-8 6lbs 3ozs all up. I love when he says "dat my rifle".
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Its a shame that they don't make a lever action in 257. Oh well, my 30-30 is still the BEST. Sherwood
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The .30 WCF does a fine job, no doubt about that. As a matter of fact, I keep a .257 Roberts AND a .30-30 around the house for deer hunting.
What kind of glass do you have on your Marlin there?
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Its a shame that they don't make a lever action in 257. Oh well, my 30-30 is still the BEST. Sherwood Actually Browning did make some BLR's in .257 Bob. I kick myself for letting one pass by in a gunshow and not buying it.
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You hardly ever see a .257 Roberts over here, but 243s are like arses; every hunter seems to have one!
I really can't understand why the .243 became more popular than .257 Roberts for deer hunters..what ever the .243 does, the Roberts offers a liitle bit more, with no noticable increase in recoil..
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Already shoot 250-3000s and 243s. So here's the .257 Roberts chambered in a Winchester Model 70 XTR wearing a Leupold II 4x12 just wasting away while waiting to get out to the range: Nosler 100 grain E-tips and Sierra 90 grain Blitzkings will the used to work up appropriate loads for deer and varmints.
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Already shoot 250-3000s, 243s. So here's the .257 Roberts chambered in Win. XTR waiting to get out to the range: Nosler 100 grain E-tips and Sierra 90 grain Blitzkings will the used to work up appropriate loads for deer and varmints. Good looking rifle. What Leupold? Let us know how it shoots.
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While Ned Roberts was a fine Schuetzen rifleman and a good chuck hunter as well I have no interest in .25" rifles for hunting. The bullets are too big and heavy to be ricochet resistant and too small to shoot big game with. It's just stunt shooting to shoot big game with small bullets. Thus the .257 Roberts died out when riflemen discovered that it was best at nothing. A buddy from long ago had a 722 chambered for the little .257R. He was poor and that cheap rifle was all he could afford. He was up at the camp in VT and hunting with us and some hunter walks by him in the woods and asks what he is shooting. When the hunter hears its a .257 he goes into why the 30-06 is superior in every way. The expert finally leaves and a buck walks by my old buddy and he shoots it with the .257R. The buck falls dead and the expert comes back down the hill to see what happened. My buddy begins to dress out the buck and the guts spill out and the expert throws up!
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While Ned Roberts was a fine Schuetzen rifleman and a good chuck hunter as well I have no interest in .25" rifles for hunting. The bullets are too big and heavy to be ricochet resistant and too small to shoot big game with. It's just stunt shooting to shoot big game with small bullets. Thus the .257 Roberts died out when riflemen discovered that it was best at nothing. A buddy from long ago had a 722 chambered for the little .257R. He was poor and that cheap rifle was all he could afford. He was up at the camp in VT and hunting with us and some hunter walks by him in the woods and asks what he is shooting. When the hunter hears its a .257 he goes into why the 30-06 is superior in every way. The expert finally leaves and a buck walks by my old buddy and he shoots it with the .257R. The buck falls dead and the expert comes back down the hill to see what happened. My buddy begins to dress out the buck and the guts spill out and the expert throws up! How do you reconcile saying that .25 bullets are too small for big game and a stunt at the beginning of the post only to follow it with the story about the effectiveness of the .257R?
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While Ned Roberts was a fine Schuetzen rifleman and a good chuck hunter as well I have no interest in .25" rifles for hunting. The bullets are too big and heavy to be ricochet resistant and too small to shoot big game with. It's just stunt shooting to shoot big game with small bullets. Thus the .257 Roberts died out when riflemen discovered that it was best at nothing. A buddy from long ago had a 722 chambered for the little .257R. He was poor and that cheap rifle was all he could afford. He was up at the camp in VT and hunting with us and some hunter walks by him in the woods and asks what he is shooting. When the hunter hears its a .257 he goes into why the 30-06 is superior in every way. The expert finally leaves and a buck walks by my old buddy and he shoots it with the .257R. The buck falls dead and the expert comes back down the hill to see what happened. My buddy begins to dress out the buck and the guts spill out and the expert throws up! Evidently you never read the Layne Simpson article about an East coast outfitter who kept detailed records on all his kills and those of his clients on whitetail deer. IIRC it covered around 400 kills, which probably isn't a large enough cohort for statistical relevance, but not a bad thesis. From that study, the most effective rounds were .25 cal., based on kills and yardage traveled after the hit. And the .25R was one of the most common .25's in that study. I sometimes think you're just shooting from the hip to get a rise out of everybody. If that's your game, then you're just a troll. If you're asking honest questions, then you need to drop back and regroup. DF
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Post up the article by Simpson and give us the name of that outfitter. I go by common sense that small bullets from weak cartridges make smaller wounds that result in less effective hunting.
As Mule Deer wrote small bullets don't kill as well.
""To everybody who has shared their experiences with TSX's, thanks very much. Most of the time they will kill deer-sized game very well, especially in larger diameters like 7mm and .30. I was specificaly addressing my experience with the .25 caliber 100-grain TSX--which is considerable, both in the .257 Roberts and .257 Weatherby."
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Savage99,
Somebody recently posted on the Campfire that you're the second coming of Swampman700. After this post I suspect you might be even 1) dumber, or 2) more of a troll.
How can you come to THAT conclusion from my statement? It's completely of context, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether .25 caliber cartridges are adequate for deer.
In my experience .25's are fine deer rounds since (as I probably posted before on this thread) my wife and I have killed dozens of deer (and pronghorns) with various .25's (though mostly the .257 Roberts), including some big bucks, both whitetail and mule deer. Never a problem with any of the animals, with any bullet--EXCEPT a couple TSX's that didn't expand.
To paraphrase my friend Phil Shoemaker, anybody who insists .25 caliber rifles aren't plenty for deer is unknowingly commenting on his own marksmanship.
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