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Those rounds had the same accuracy problems. What they did not suffer was being too big for chucks and too small for game.
Sort of in the middle if you understand.
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Just thought I heard Swampy say something... DF
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The .257 Roberts is perfectly suited for and quite adequate when killing any of the North American deer (the two mule deer sub-species, the two whitetail deer sub-species, the two blacktail deer sub-species), all the North American sheep species, pronghorn antelope, black bear, wolf, etc, etc, etc. It's a fine caliber and it has proven itself on those species, time and again.
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Ironic.....it's like you.
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I believe I may just fall into a swoon now that I've come to find out my beloved 257 Roberts is "best at nothing". Can it be that all those 120 grain Speers that mine delivered so accurately and lethally to a dozen or so mule deer was a misinterpretation of the evidence on my part? All this time I believed the Roberts delivered those deer up to my table with a finality second to none. I am a die hard lefty with many left handed rifles but my 257 Roberts is one of the few right handed bolts I am not likely to get rid of, unless of course a nice lefty Bob shows up someday. Mart
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Ironic.....it's like you. Wait... He does have "best at being ignore-worthy"?
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Sadly, there are others that are more deserving. IMO.
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Those rounds had the same accuracy problems. What they did not suffer was being too big for chucks and too small for game.
Sort of in the middle if you understand.
"Best at nothing!" Yeah, sorta in the middle. As in: Not too big, not too small, but "Just right". You keep repeating the same mantra "too weak for game", "too weak for game" without any facts or basis, in hopes that if you repeat it enough folks will believe it (you must be a Democrat). Your problem is, there are many on this forum who have much more real world experience witht the cartridge that you condemn than you. So you can't blow your smoke up our rears. You have conveniently never answered the question: Why is a 120gr bullet at 2900ish weak, while a 130gr bullet at 3000ish is not? do you also contend that the 260Rem, the 6.5x55, 6.5x57, 7-08, and other cartridges which launch similar weight bullets at similar velocites are "too weak for game"? One more question. I recall a while back, one of your denegrations of the Roberts was something to the effect that it obviously is no good, because it has never been a hugh commercial success, and "the market has spoken". But now you are touting that enormously successful 358Win??? Can you even see the weaknesses in your logic?
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I finally decided he's a troll and put him on ignore.
I never used to put anybody on ignore, but in the past year or so have probably done it half-a-dozen times. I found it's a very easy way to tell if a thread is worth reading: If ***You are ignoring this user*** pops up frequently I know it's not!
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Yeah, you're probably right. I used to think that he was a pretty nice old gentleman, just a little quirky. But recently, he's either lost it entirely, or as you say, he's just a troll trying to stirr the pot. (Which he has done successfully )
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He's making Swampy look not so bad. He's still leagues ahead of Larry Root, who IMHO is the worst of the worst... DF
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One one hand a cartridge can be 'good' and still not be a commercial success. Thus saying that about the 257R or the 358W is just a dig at the rounds. They work and make somebody happy. I still think the .358W is cool as a woods cartridge for the way I use it. The rifle can be a Featherweight and the round about optimum for smaller big game in the woods. Others call their 257R "The Bob" and say they love it! So it goes, we all have favorites. As to the 257R on deer I feel that one could use a more powerful round. Of course there is some tiny person somewhere who can't shoot a deer without one or someone else who can't afford a second gun. At least it's legal for deer in most places. It is way ahead of the .22 deer guns on that. I just got back from hunting today. It's kind of hot out here at 86F. I saw two turkeys but no chucks. I brought a favorite 30-06 along loaded with 155 VLD's for coyotes and a .17HMR for shots where noise would matter. A 257R would have been fine as well. It's just that I have had a 243 since 1957 and I have no want for a 257R.
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I've heard it said, if one finds himself in a hole, QUIT DIGGING!
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If I found a rifle that I really liked chambered for the 257R I might buy it for the rifle.
I just got a nice rifle chambered for the .300 Win. Mag. which I don't like or need. I thought about changing the barrel but then I would just spend money for another gun I don't really need and it's a belted head size. At least a 257R would not kick. Don't know what I would use it for however. It would be ok for coyotes............
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I finally decided he's a troll and put him on ignore.
I never used to put anybody on ignore, but in the past year or so have probably done it half-a-dozen times. I found it's a very easy way to tell if a thread is worth reading: If ***You are ignoring this user*** pops up frequently I know it's not! Yep
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Ahh, the internet..... The only place individuals like Savage 99 can become an expert on the 257 Roberts without ever owning or firing one. After nearly 40 years of shooting and hunting with at least a half-dozen different 257's, my conclusions about this great cartridge are the direct opposite of his on all counts.
His conclusions about the 257 seem to parallel the same logic Lee J. Hoots used with the .270 not being enough cartridge for a mule deer..... only Hoots shot a 270 before spewing....
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Got a hold of some OLD school partitions, in 117gr. simi-spitzers. Now them puppies leave holes in deer and shoot beautifully. To bad I only have less than 50
I had something like 15 boxes of those for sale in the classifieds about a month ago...
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I really like my Mauser in 257 Roberts and have killed quite a few deer with it. Every one I have shot with it died very quickly.
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Notropis,
Beautiful rifle!
Amazing how a "useless and obsolete" cartridge kills deer.
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