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Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Outcast #6516651 05/18/12
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,079 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna
Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,079 Banana Belt, Montana	Offhand, I can also remember articles about accurizing No. 1's from Jon Sundra and Ross Seyfried. I've written a number of articles involving getting No. 1's to shoot. The easist technqiue I've found is to buy one of the rifles made in the last 20 years or so, since Ruger started making their own barrels--or one of the very early No. 1's with Douglas barrels. I've owned at least a dozen No. 1's made since 1994, and would guess that at least half have shot very well out of the box. The only accurizing technique I've used on the ones that didn't shoot was epoxy-bedding the tip of the forend to stabilize it, and making sure the rear of the forend wasn't pressing hard against the front of the action. “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

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Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Mule Deer #6516731 05/18/12
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 6,544 Pikeville, TN L LeonHitchcox Campfire Tracker
LeonHitchcox Campfire Tracker L Joined: May 2005 Posts: 6,544 Pikeville, TN	I got my information from a Sundra article back in the mid to late '70s. One trick was to use an o-ring around the forearm screw or to use a small piece of inner tube to create forend pressure, but those were only short term treatments. Changes in humidity would likely cause a change in the forearm pressure. The long term fix was to glass bed the three contact points and then sand just enough wood from the rear of forearm to give clearance.

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Mule Deer #6519584 05/19/12
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,218 Hongry Gulch, WV O Outcast Campfire Tracker
Outcast Campfire Tracker O Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,218 Hongry Gulch, WV	MD, My less than humble opinion ( ) is, the the Ruger No.1 is the most beautiful, gracefull production rifle ever produced by anyone. This from a guy who isnt really a Ruger fan. Sadly, the No. 1 has the rep of not being very accurate. The first I ever owned escaped the factory with an exceptional piece of walnut and will put 5 handloads into around an inch. I have never touched a screw on it nor will I ever. It is an early rifle in 6mm and prolly has a Douglas barrel. It would be great if someone could 'crack the code' that turned them all into good shooters. O Too old to suffer fools

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Outcast #6519683 05/19/12
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 430 Lincoln NE fink65 Campfire Member
fink65 Campfire Member Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 430 Lincoln NE	If you are not succeeding with changing this and that on the rifle- I would suggest you give the reloading dies a thorough cleaning and reset them. Also weigh the components to make sure of the bullet weights and such. Best I can do.-Mike A PHD Won't help you if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? fink65 #6519783 05/19/12
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 238 T TEXMAG Campfire Member
TEXMAG Campfire Member T Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 238	I had this happen to me. it ended up being a bad batch of primers.

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Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Outcast #6655728 07/05/12
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,712 Alberta catnthehat Campfire Tracker
catnthehat Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,712 Alberta	Originally Posted by OUTCAST MD.., Legend has it that some one, years ago, wrote an article on "Accurizing the #1". Maybe as far back as the 80s. I searched for that article for years, never found it, and no longer remember in which mag it was supposed to have appeared. As I remember, it involved somehow free floating the forend, maybe glass bedding the portion where fore end meets hanger, and perhaps glass bedding the contact points of the butt stock. So, if some jaded gunwriter in search of material had a mediocre #1 and the time and where with all to play with the bedding, he might have the basis for an article and could even become a hero to frustrated #1 owners. Just a thought. O Ross Seyfried wrote an article way back when about floating the forend and using the hanger screw tensioner method. Works super with a No.1 that won't group, not so much with one that already will! Cat Last edited by catnthehat; 07/05/12. scopes are cool, but slings 'n' irons RULE!

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Mule Deer #6655866 07/05/12
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,626 MontanaMan Campfire Ranger
MontanaMan Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,626	Originally Posted by Mule Deer Well, My bet is still on the wood shifting on this particular rifle. Yep..............I actually replaced wood stocks on some #1's with synthetic stocks for that very reason. Since most of the potential issues have been discussed, I'd also look at the fore end contact against the receiver.........on #1's I've always made sure that there is no contact pressure there at all as that can also cause problems. MM

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