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Why would they even consider a 30-03? It was long dead and replaced with the better-designed 30-06. I love unusual guns of all sorts and actually hope to heck this is a genuine 30-03. I'd be thrilled to see some photos and chamber castings if it is.
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Me too.......it's very interesting.
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Does anyone know if Winchester ever made a rifle in .30-03? I am thinking that it might be a .30-06, but somehow got stamped wrong.
A close examination of the chamber would give the actual chambering.
Then, you could start the research from there: If it is chambered for .30-06, the place to start would be to determine how .30-03 got stamped on the barrel.
If the chamber is .30-03, then a search would be in order as to when and why Winchester made a M70 barrel in this caliber.
As someone said, the .30-03 has been obselete for many years, and I can't see Winchester making a .30-03 barrel for a cartridge this old. Maybe it was a slow day in the custom shop and someone got bored.
Or, it could be what it is thought to be: a original M70 that left the factory chambered for .30-03 and stamped as such.
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Yes, The model 95. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, pulling the stock off and inspecting the barrel marks underneath might provide more answers than questions. What I'm wondering is if a errant 95 barrel somehow made its way into the mdl 54 barrel bins and then eventually on to a mdl 70. Most of the odd caliber 70's were made up from left over 54 barrels. It would seem unlikley that a barrel would go that far through the machining process without being noticed though, especially since the extractor cut would have to be made on a naked barrel to fit it up to a bolt rifle and the finished rifle would have to be proofed. Another possibility is that the rifle was a back door rifle made by one of the employees from parts, another reason there are some real oddball chamberings out there.
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Just took a photo of the caliber stamping on my M1895 .30-03. I am aware that there was more than one style of stamping this caliber on the M1895.
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That is something very special, IMO!
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Just took a photo of the caliber stamping on my M1895 .30-03. I am aware that there was more than one style of stamping this caliber on the M1895. My 1895 is stamped the same. My 1895 was made in 1915 according to Madis. It does seem odd that the caliber hung on as long as it did.
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Do you have some other photo's of the rifle? Really interesting, and I have learned a long time ago to never guess that something was "impossible" to come across...
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Knowing nothing about Win Model 70's, I do know a little about how guns could be ordered back in the early days. Marlin Ballards have always been one of my favorites. Especially factory original ones. I have a #10 Schuetzen with all matching numbers, buttplate, extractor, stocks, etc. A Remington 38-55 barrel on it with the same number made by the same stamps. If someone wanted it, they could get it.
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Do you have some other photo's of the rifle? Really interesting, and I have learned a long time ago to never guess that something was "impossible" to come across...
Dennis Just snapped a few more pictures of my .30-03. Like the other one mentioned, mine was also manufactured in 1915. I see George Madis states that the .30-03 was added in 1905. He states, "When the 30-'06 was added in 1908, the 30-'03 was available on special order only." So, that would mean mine and the other one mentioned were special order rifles. I would really enjoy knowing what prompted the buyers to special order these rifles in .30-03 when the .30-06 had been available for seven years.
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WOW!!! Whats the caliber stamp??.. 30/40??
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Back in those days, the 30-03 in military circles was also known as .30-45. I have a sizer die for my Ideal Armory press that is marked thusly.
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WOW!!! Whats the caliber stamp??.. 30/40?? The rifle I pictured is a .30-03. The musket is a .30-40 (marked .30 US) and given we have shown a rifle and a musket, might as well throw a carbine in (this one is .30/40 although the '95 carbine was chambered in the .30-03 and I have seem many examples over the years):
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Back in those days, the 30-03 in military circles was also known as .30-45. I have a sizer die for my Ideal Armory press that is marked thusly. This is something I did not know
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Very nice carbine, boltman. I see the repro 95 carbines for sale, but give me an old one anyday.
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Back in those days, the 30-03 in military circles was also known as .30-45. I have a sizer die for my Ideal Armory press that is marked thusly. This is something I did not know And is ever but so rarely mentioned... very cool sizer die!!!!! and thanks for confirming my suspicion... I had a strong inclination it was a 30/40 and it's a damn nice one too! Thanks for sharing it. BD
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Back in those days, the 30-03 in military circles was also known as .30-45. I have a sizer die for my Ideal Armory press that is marked thusly. Was this because it used 45 grains of powder?
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That was a special purpose rifle, designed to use in long range matches. The shooter would lie on his back, feet toward the target and use his feet as a rest, then sight through the sight on the back of the buttstock.
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