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Why would they even consider a 30-03? confused It was long dead and replaced with the better-designed 30-06.

I love unusual guns of all sorts and actually hope to heck this is a genuine 30-03. I'd be thrilled to see some photos and chamber castings if it is. laugh


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Me too.......it's very interesting.


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Does anyone know if Winchester ever made a rifle in .30-03? I am thinking that it might be a .30-06, but somehow got stamped wrong.

A close examination of the chamber would give the actual chambering.

Then, you could start the research from there: If it is chambered for .30-06, the place to start would be to determine how .30-03 got stamped on the barrel.

If the chamber is .30-03, then a search would be in order as to when and why Winchester made a M70 barrel in this caliber.

As someone said, the .30-03 has been obselete for many years, and I can't see Winchester making a .30-03 barrel for a cartridge this old. Maybe it was a slow day in the custom shop and someone got bored.

Or, it could be what it is thought to be: a original M70 that left the factory chambered for .30-03 and stamped as such.

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Yes, The model 95. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, pulling the stock off and inspecting the barrel marks underneath might provide more answers than questions. What I'm wondering is if a errant 95 barrel somehow made its way into the mdl 54 barrel bins and then eventually on to a mdl 70. Most of the odd caliber 70's were made up from left over 54 barrels. It would seem unlikley that a barrel would go that far through the machining process without being noticed though, especially since the extractor cut would have to be made on a naked barrel to fit it up to a bolt rifle and the finished rifle would have to be proofed. Another possibility is that the rifle was a back door rifle made by one of the employees from parts, another reason there are some real oddball chamberings out there.

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Just took a photo of the caliber stamping on my M1895 .30-03. I am aware that there was more than one style of stamping this caliber on the M1895.

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That is something very special, IMO! cool


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Veerrrry cool


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Originally Posted by boltman
Just took a photo of the caliber stamping on my M1895 .30-03. I am aware that there was more than one style of stamping this caliber on the M1895.

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My 1895 is stamped the same. My 1895 was made in 1915 according to Madis. It does seem odd that the caliber hung on as long as it did.

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Do you have some other photo's of the rifle? Really interesting, and I have learned a long time ago to never guess that something was "impossible" to come across...

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Knowing nothing about Win Model 70's, I do know a little about how guns could be ordered back in the early days. Marlin Ballards have always been one of my favorites. Especially factory original ones. I have a #10 Schuetzen with all matching numbers, buttplate, extractor, stocks, etc. A Remington 38-55 barrel on it with the same number made by the same stamps. If someone wanted it, they could get it.

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I may have to take some more photos of my '95 in .30-03. Here are some photos of another '95 I have that I thought was more interesting to photograph. It is a special order musket and the museum letter indicates it has been back to the factory several times. It has a special order 32 inch barrel and I really wish this gun could talk smile

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Originally Posted by muledeer
Do you have some other photo's of the rifle? Really interesting, and I have learned a long time ago to never guess that something was "impossible" to come across...

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Just snapped a few more pictures of my .30-03. Like the other one mentioned, mine was also manufactured in 1915. I see George Madis states that the .30-03 was added in 1905. He states, "When the 30-'06 was added in 1908, the 30-'03 was available on special order only." So, that would mean mine and the other one mentioned were special order rifles. I would really enjoy knowing what prompted the buyers to special order these rifles in .30-03 when the .30-06 had been available for seven years.

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WOW!!! Whats the caliber stamp??.. 30/40??


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Back in those days, the 30-03 in military circles was also known as .30-45. I have a sizer die for my Ideal Armory press that is marked thusly.

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Originally Posted by BlackDog1
WOW!!! Whats the caliber stamp??.. 30/40??


The rifle I pictured is a .30-03. The musket is a .30-40 (marked .30 US) and given we have shown a rifle and a musket, might as well throw a carbine in (this one is .30/40 although the '95 carbine was chambered in the .30-03 and I have seem many examples over the years):
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Originally Posted by JIMFORAL
Back in those days, the 30-03 in military circles was also known as .30-45. I have a sizer die for my Ideal Armory press that is marked thusly.


This is something I did not know cool



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Very nice carbine, boltman. I see the repro 95 carbines for
sale, but give me an old one anyday.

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Originally Posted by boltman
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Back in those days, the 30-03 in military circles was also known as .30-45. I have a sizer die for my Ideal Armory press that is marked thusly.


This is something I did not know cool


And is ever but so rarely mentioned... very cool sizer die!!!!! and thanks for confirming my suspicion... I had a strong inclination it was a 30/40 and it's a damn nice one too! Thanks for sharing it.

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Originally Posted by JIMFORAL
Back in those days, the 30-03 in military circles was also known as .30-45. I have a sizer die for my Ideal Armory press that is marked thusly.

Was this because it used 45 grains of powder?


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Originally Posted by boltman
I may have to take some more photos of my '95 in .30-03. Here are some photos of another '95 I have that I thought was more interesting to photograph. It is a special order musket and the museum letter indicates it has been back to the factory several times. It has a special order 32 inch barrel and I really wish this gun could talk smile

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That was a special purpose rifle, designed to use in long range matches.

The shooter would lie on his back, feet toward the target and use his feet as a rest, then sight through the sight on the back of the buttstock.


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