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Re: Best pump ever made ?? Higginez #6669751 07/09/12
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300_savage Campfire Regular 3 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,139	Originally Posted by Higbean I hear that Burgess shotguns are very predominant in the homosexual community. Really? Chuckle...where'd you hear that? Nifty shotgun Shrapnel! Can you get MV to write an article on it? Or maybe one yourself?

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Re: Best pump ever made ?? Higginez #6669765 07/09/12
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orion03 Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,323 SE Nebraska	I like my 37's too, have a newer one in 16 gauge and have had a Sid Bell edition in 20 gauge and a Supreme model in 12, both of which I wish I had back. `Bring Enough Gun`

Re: Best pump ever made ?? elkivory #6670332 07/10/12
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Hotload Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,659 Md	Originally Posted by elkivory Tried and true Model 12 or 870 ? I have one of each; Win M12 / 16 ga ; Rem 870 / 12 ga. the model 12 has been passed around in family for 75 years now, and looks like it. However... it still always goes bang ! "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much" Teddy Roosevelt

Re: Best pump ever made ?? Hotload #6670405 07/10/12
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Whelenman Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,151 The town Del Shannon made famo...	I'm partial to a model 120 magnum, Marlin, myself. Bought it new in 1971. Last edited by Whelenman; 07/10/12. Well we're Green and we're Gold, and we play better when it's cold. All us Cheese heads have our favorite superstar. We love Brett Favre.

Re: Best pump ever made ?? Whelenman #6670429 07/10/12
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roundoak Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 10,653 Badger State	IMHO. Hands down...Model 12. You're Welcome At My Fire Anytime

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Re: Best pump ever made ?? roundoak #6670491 07/10/12
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Re: Best pump ever made ?? Centurion75 #6670536 07/10/12
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GF1 Campfire Tracker G Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,943	The Model 12 Winchester is the gold standard in pump shotguns (I'd also include the Model 42 here also, though they are different, the 42 is a more boutique gun). My friend Bradford O'Connor will disagree (he's an 870 guy), but I find that none of the Model 12's competition comes close to the Model 12 "feel".

Re: Best pump ever made ?? GF1 #6670606 07/10/12
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RufusG Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,521 In the weeds, AZ	The huge majority of people whose knee-jerk response is the Model 12 have likely never handled a Remington Model 31. Most of those minds would be changed if they shot a 31. All of them would be changed if they disassembled a Model 31 to see how it works. I can't think of another repeating firearm with such an elegantly perfect (perfectly elegant?) design. And it pumps real slick too!

Re: Best pump ever made ?? shrapnel #6670621 07/10/12
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luv2safari Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 28,172 Here Or There	Originally Posted by shrapnel Originally Posted by luv2safari Darned , if I do say. Still, would it rapid slam-fire like a 97??? Hmmmmm??? I thought not. I always liked the BPS design, and SKB had a very good pump out for a short while years ago. Not so fast there, you need to research this gun and find out just how fast it cycled. It was reputed to be semi-auto. Look up a Burgess folding shotgun, you will be surprised... My point was about the failure of the 97, not any failings of the Burgess. I've seen more than one 97 that slam-fired. I've always coveted your Burgess. Hunt with Class and Classics Religion: A founder of The Church of Spray and Pray Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”

Re: Best pump ever made ?? RufusG #6670633 07/10/12
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luv2safari Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 28,172 Here Or There	My late father would agree. I still have his 31 and use it once every season...just because. 1957 Nevada chuckar opener... Hunt with Class and Classics Religion: A founder of The Church of Spray and Pray Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”

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Re: Best pump ever made ?? shrapnel #6670674 07/10/12
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RufusG Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,521 In the weeds, AZ	Originally Posted by shrapnel Very cool gun, but what I want to know is have you ever caught the web of your hand in the action, and if so how loud did you yell?

Re: Best pump ever made ?? RufusG #6670766 07/10/12
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Re: Best pump ever made ?? RufusG #6671106 07/10/12
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Whelenman Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,151 The town Del Shannon made famo...	Originally Posted by RufusG Originally Posted by shrapnel Very cool gun, but what I want to know is have you ever caught the web of your hand in the action, and if so how loud did you yell? Done that! Well we're Green and we're Gold, and we play better when it's cold. All us Cheese heads have our favorite superstar. We love Brett Favre.

Re: Best pump ever made ?? Whelenman #6671255 07/10/12
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Re: Best pump ever made ?? RufusG #6671413 07/10/12
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shrapnel Campfire Ranger Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,517 Bozeman, MT	Originally Posted by RufusG Originally Posted by shrapnel Very cool gun, but what I want to know is have you ever caught the web of your hand in the action, and if so how loud did you yell? Only someone that shot one of these would bring that up, You musta' done that...

Re: Best pump ever made ?? shrapnel #6671428 07/10/12
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RufusG Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,521 In the weeds, AZ	Originally Posted by shrapnel Originally Posted by RufusG Originally Posted by shrapnel Very cool gun, but what I want to know is have you ever caught the web of your hand in the action, and if so how loud did you yell? Only someone that shot one of these would bring that up, You musta' done that... Never seen one in the flesh, but I'll take that as a "Yes".

Re: Best pump ever made ?? RufusG #6671620 07/10/12
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Teal Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 38,970 Flyover Country	Originally Posted by RufusG The huge majority of people whose knee-jerk response is the Model 12 have likely never handled a Remington Model 31. Most of those minds would be changed if they shot a 31. All of them would be changed if they disassembled a Model 31 to see how it works. I can't think of another repeating firearm with such an elegantly perfect (perfectly elegant?) design. And it pumps real slick too! There was a reason they called them the gun with the ball bearing action. Amazing shotgun. Me

Re: Best pump ever made ?? Teal #6671955 07/10/12
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Whelenman Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 14,151 The town Del Shannon made famo...	I borrowed my b-i-l. The first I unloaded it, strait bock into my web of my hand. Never again though! Well we're Green and we're Gold, and we play better when it's cold. All us Cheese heads have our favorite superstar. We love Brett Favre.

Re: Best pump ever made ?? Whelenman #6671999 07/10/12
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passport Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 10,090 Rockford, MI	3 way tie IMO, M-12, 870 and the 31. It�s a magazine not a clip...... Advice is seldom welcome, and those who need it the most, like it the least.� - Lord Chesterfield. 1750

Re: Best pump ever made ?? RufusG #6672170 07/10/12
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GF1 Campfire Tracker G Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,943	Originally Posted by RufusG The huge majority of people whose knee-jerk response is the Model 12 have likely never handled a Remington Model 31. Most of those minds would be changed if they shot a 31. All of them would be changed if they disassembled a Model 31 to see how it works. I can't think of another repeating firearm with such an elegantly perfect (perfectly elegant?) design. And it pumps real slick too! Agree that the Model 31 is a jewel, but I still hold by the Model 12. The Winchester just feels better in my hands. Agree that it's too close to call on the mechanics.

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