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Any pics yet?


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Not yet. Hopefully soon. Get out the popcorn.


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Heads or Tails, it'll be interesting.

I wish he'd hurry up. It shouldn't take that long to Photoshop an 06 to an 03..... grin


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Originally Posted by luv2safari
[quote=boltman]I may have to take some more photos of my '95 in .30-03. Here are some photos of another '95 I have that I thought was more interesting to photograph. It is a special order musket and the museum letter indicates it has been back to the factory several times. It has a special order 32 inch barrel and I really wish this gun could talk smile


That was a special purpose rifle, designed to use in long range matches.

The shooter would lie on his back, feet toward the target and use his feet as a rest, then sight through the sight on the back of the buttstock.


You mean like these?

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Just fooling around while we wait for the M70 .30-03 pictures wink



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I have seen old black and white drawings of shooters using the
sights on the butt stock, but the rifles used were rolling blocks or Sharps. Very interesting.

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The above rifles dominated the match shooting world a bit of 100 years ago. Very accurate weapons shot at incredible distances. I certainly find them interesting smile



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Perhaps someone ordered a 30-03 from the custom shop.

Why would they do this?

Originally, the 30-03 was designed to shoot a 220 grain bullet. When they switched to a 150 grain bullet, they shortened the neck a bit and we call that the 30-06. (All the Springfield '03 rifles were recalled and the barrels were shortened from 24 inches to 23.790 inches.)

Perhaps someone in the 1940s wanted to hunt stuff with 220 grain bullets and specified the 30-03 for that reason, though 220 grain bullets work fine in the 30-06.


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Maybe some old rifle looney had a couple boxes of the old 30-03 ammo. Good of an excuse as any to get Winchester to build him a rifle.


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I just finished reading an article in Guns and Ammo by Craig Boddington on the 30-06, good article by the way, and if I understood it correctly he states that indeed the 06 has a shorter neck, but this was done by moving the shoulder out. This allowed a 03 to be fired in a 06 chamber, but not the other way around. I wonder if some of the older 1895 -03s had a -06 reamer ran thru them and not marked? Don't have a dog in this fight, just reporting what I THINK I read. I've been wrong so many times I've quit counting.

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I know '06 cases drop into my '03 chamber fully and without any forcing. Of course, I haven't had the rifle since it was new so whether someone ran an '06 reamer into the chamber is something I can't say. For decades I was operating with the information that an '06 would chamber in an and '03 chamber but not the other way around. I am aware that lots of stuff that appears in print is not correct, so if Boddington has more definitive information I am open to it.



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boltman, I went back and reread the article and Boddington talks about the "shorter necked .30-03" in the same article and now I wonder if he got his -03 and his -06 designations mixed up. Hope I haven't confused everything. Wish someone else would read this month's Guns and Ammo and tell me what I seem to be missing. I'm easily confused. Sorry about the confusion... Chuck

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Boddington got it backwards. Neck of '03 was shortened by .07".


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The neck length of the '06 is .007" shorter than the 30-03, The OAL case length is shorter also. When the 1903 was recalled from service, the barrels were replaced if neccesary due to excessive heat caused by high amounts of nitroglycerine in the powder which gave a barrel life of between 700 and 1000 rounds. Barrels that were found to be in good condition were shortened and rechambered to the new,shorter 30'06 and loaded with 150gr bullets. The leade in the throat was changed also.


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Hope to see a photo of the Model 70 30-03.


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Originally Posted by g5m
Hope to see a photo of the Model 70 30-03.


I think either the camera is broken or the rifle doesn't exist.


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Well, the camera did get broken at the Lake last weekend said my pal.

Anyway, he updated me on some info. He said he found an old article talking about how Winchester had an ".06" stamp break and tried to modify a ".03" stamp to work. He said he put a magnifying glass to it and said you could tell there was a faint outline that looked like a "6", but was not seeable with the naked eye. According to him the barrel hasn't been refinished. He didn't tell me what/if the markings were on the bottom side of the barrel so hopefully will get that info soon.

I did tell him he still ought to do a chamber cast just to see.

Hopefully I can see it in the near future to see what it looks like.

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Originally Posted by Heeler
... Anyway, he updated me on some info. He said he found an old article talking about how Winchester had an ".06" stamp break and tried to modify a ".03" stamp to work. ... I'll go sit in the corner for a bit.

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Before you toddle off to the corner, could you ask your friend about the source of the old article he found? "Article" may indicate a magazine.

Originally Posted by Heeler on 07/06/12
From what I've been able to dig up, there is a 'range' of serial numbers where these were produced in a 'batch'.

Here's a thread in another forum site that discusses the problem. Pre 64 Winchester Mdl 70 Barrel Marking. Is this where you found the information?

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This is quite interesting. I mentioned before I had the vague recollection of hearing of a group of .30-03's. Perhaps this was a, "group" that were marked with the damaged stamp?



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Not to veer too far from the topic, but I have always been amazed at seeing rifles with barrels from some well-respected gunsmiths that look like the chambering was stamped on the barrel with no thought to aestheics whatsoever.


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