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........ The key to a rapid follow up shot is to not dick around, when the crosshairs are on the target the trigger is pressed without hesitation, the goal was not to hit the exact center of the 8" disk, just to hit it anywhere. To many guys were going way over time to make a pretty center hit on the disk.
Gunsite was one of the first to articulate the training goal of getting an acceptable hit as fast as possible rather than taking more time to make a perfect hit. Exactly! Well said. I'm thinking that the boys from Wisconsin and northern Minne perfected it on whitey's quite a while b4 the Gunsite boys did.........  Dober
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Yep, I am always impressed the way you old guys made the transition for the second shot when you were shooting flintlocks.  I love a good thread like this, no endless gack (by the way thanks for that Dober, use it for everything now) just real info on how to make better field marksman.
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I'm thinking that the boys from Wisconsin and northern Minne perfected it on whitey's quite a while b4 the Gunsite boys did......... Dober Neccesity.  Varmints the trasition was tough!
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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Hi
I see this post is dated a bit and haven't followed it all the way to it's end as it looks to be a very long thread but wanted to post some info related to the .277 165gn Matrix VLD.
I have worked up a good load for the 270 Winchester. The rifle used is a standard over the counter Ruger with 22", 10 twist barrel. I have been able to work up a very consistintly accurate load for that rifle having a plus 2850 FPS muzzle velocity. I'm sure the load is a little hot but am not having sticky bolt or other obvious pressure issues. I'm using Winchester Supreme 780 powder, Norma brass partially neck sized with a Forster bump neck bushing die, and GM215M primers. I've checked the velocity with 2 different Chrony's. I have the bullet set at .095 from the lands as I've tried it into the lands to way out there and this is what this rifle seems to like best.
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RinB sent me some 165 Matrix slugs to give a go in my 9 twist Brux in a .270. I burned R22 and the one group I shot was very nice and had good speed (2850).
W-W brass and 210 M's if I recall right.
Dober
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Awesome, I wonder how they'll shoot out of my 270 Bee?
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Im still aching to play with those matrix. I ordered some a few weeks ago but they were shipped to the old address that was still on the credit card!!!
What length tube Mark? I was figuring anything over 2700 would be nice but 2850 is great.
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23", and I ran 55.5 of R22 in W-W cases along with a 210M
I was thinking more along the lines of 2750 as well. Need to clock it another day to double check it.
Next time I come your way, if we can we should meet up for lunch.
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Absolutely, my days off are all over the place but give me a buzz and we can figure something out.
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Started playing with the 165 and 145's. Preliminary results with imr-4831 are ok but im limited by the magazine on my sako and im not getting too close the the lands. (as they like to be according to the guy who makes them). These Will be hunting moose in October. Mark, what was the accuracy with the R22 load ?
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Anyone have a better working BC? I know Tanner mentioned .650 but I saw another reference it was closer to the .730 listed on the website. I am still bullet less but plan on making time for at least an 800 yards poke as soon as they are here.
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V Inc, I picked up the .650 BC from a few guys at LRH.com that have shot it past 1k.
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+2 on the .65 BC from the same source. This is still a great BC. I've been shooting 180 gr Berger VLD's in my 7 mag with this same BC and they are very good in the wind.
I'm currently shooting the 140 gr Berger VLD's in my 270 WSM with good success. Shot a marmot on Wednesday at 592 with one.
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That rig sounds like its kicking mucho butt Brad!
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Yeah anything close to .600 is pretty dang cool. I know for the first couple rounds of shooting the .243 with a .585 at 3000fps I was shocked at how much wind it cut off of a .308. I was playing with numbers yesterday and after using the 110TTSX for lead free zones getting a .650 BC is like using a whole new round. At only 600yards it was about 50% less drift.
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