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OK John i know this will get lots of opinions from the peanut gallery,, So far i have only used Remington factory 250 core lockt in my rem 700 classic 35 wehelen,, Kills deer like thunder..Want to reload for heavier game like elk,, moose,, and bears,, and also heavy african plains game.. I really like Nosler Partition,,, would you use 225gr or 250gr.. as a best choice, Is Varget best powder in this round..Thanks for your time..By the way John i used to live in Bozeman wish we would have met, I really enjoy your articles, Ed

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I'm not JB, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. That said, I like/load 250gr Partitions over 59gr R-15 and it works better than well in 2 Rem 700 Whelenators.

The Speer 250 Hot-Cor shoots equally well with same charge, but is not as tough of a bullet. Nor as costly. I will load them for deer this year.

IMHO, the 35 Colonel was meant to shoot 250gr bullets. They are all I load......

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I have never hand loaded any bullets that have shot moose or African game. I have for elk, black bear, caribou, deer, hog, and small game. IMO 225gr TSX is a good choice. If I was to hunt big bear it would be with a 250gr A-Frame.


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The 225 TSX is tempting, I must say.

Either said 250 gr bullet is capable of fine accuracy.......

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I have used the 350 Rem Mag for a long time and prefer the 225 Nosler partition over all other bullets. The extra 200fps over the 250 grain bullet helps with long range expansion and the penetration is still very good. I move up to the 250 with the 358 Norma.

Here is an article I wrote some time ago. It might help.

http://35cal.com/35bullet_study/35bullet_study1.html

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If I could handle only one rifle, there's a good chance that a .35 Whelen would be my choice. I've shot deer, elk, caribou, kudu, impala, and gemsbok with mine. Farthest any went was about 100 yards, and it was dead and just wouldn't pay attention.

I've shot various bullets, everything from 200 gr to 275 gr, but when it came to actually hunting -- 250 is the answer. And generally with a flat or rounded bullet.

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When I first built my .35 Whelen about 15 yrs. ago, I read everything I could get my hands on regarding loading for the Whelen. Based on my research, I chose IMR 4064 as my powder of choice. I loaded it behind bullets from 200gr. to 225gr. in a variety of charge weights. My range testing showed that the .225gr. bullet produced the smallest groups in my rifle. In '08 I took an 8pt. whitetail, a double lung shot at 100 yds. yielded a blood trail a blind man could follow and a dead deer after approx. a 30yd. death run. Research subsequent to that hunt has shown that here on the Campfire the are several .35 Whelen shooters who have had fine results with RL-15. My next session at the reloading bench I will be utilizing that powder.

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To what extent does rate of twist effect a Whelen's ability to stabilize 250s? Does that only come into play on longer bullets than that?

I've been thinkin hard on a 1 in 14" twisted mauser that appears to be priced right by a local shop.

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My 16 twist rifles handle flat based 250 Bullets very well as far away as I have tested (about 400 yards). 14 twist may be better. The 225 Accu-bonds don't group well past 200 yards. I think a faster twist is needed. They are very long!

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With a 1:14 my STA shoots 280 A-Frames great. The rifle range we shoot at is only 275yds and in. frown I haven't shot past 275yds with this bullet.


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A Ruger M77 has always prefered the Speer 250 gr with 58 grains of IMR 4320. Never shot deer with it, only Moose, Elk and Black bear. Tried the 225 grain Nosler Partition in this rifle back in 1990 with three or four different powders, but accuracy was lackluster. Was impressed with the velocity though it was up around 2700 fps.


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My 16 twist rifles handle flat based 250 Bullets very well as far away as I have tested (about 400 yards). 14 twist may be better. The 225 Accu-bonds don't group well past 200 yards. I think a faster twist is needed. They are very long!


Nosler's test rifle is a 1-12" ROT.


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The 280 A-Frame is purposefully designed to be short enough to stabilize in a 1-14 twist, as is just about any .35 caliber bullet from a major company, because so many .35-caliber rifles have 1-14 twists. If they made bullets that would only stabilize in 1-12 twists they'd get a lot of complaining from the average guy, and wouldn't sell many bullets.

That's exactly why there aren't any true spitzers over 250 grains in .35. (The 280 AF is actually flat-point semi-spitzer.) It's also why Barnes doesn't make a TSX over 225 grains, and Nosler doesn't make an AccuBond over 225.

I'd be tempted to use the 225-grain AccuBond as an all-around bullet in the .35 Whelen. It's plenty tough, and the long-range BC is better than Nosler shows--better than the 225 Partition and noticeably better than the 225 TSX. Load the 225 AB up to 2700+ fps and it would work both up close and way out there.


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I have been shooting 250gr Hornadys out of my 350remmag; no kills and 1.25" groups.

I am going to try 200gr Barnes TTSX soon.

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Grayfox,

Welcome to the 'fire. Sorry this is so darn wordy blush

I like the Partition also.
That said, there are very few 225gr and heavier .35 caliber bullets that would disappoint you for what you desire to accomplish with the Whelen.

In the world of Mono-metals, I've had quite a few kills using the 225 TSX, but I'm liking the higher B.C and velocity provided by the 200 TTSX. That said, most of my killing with the 225 TSX occurred inside of 200 yards and it seemed to give pretty good expansion at those impact velocities.
Note: Behind the shoulder double lung shots usually meant a 100 yard blood trail.

I've not tested the 200gr TTSX for low velocity expansion. If it is launched from the muzzle at 2800fps it's .369 B.C value will have it slowed down to less than 2100fps by the time it reaches 300 yards. I am still not real confident in it's ability to expand at that velocity. eek

The 225 NPT is a softer bullet and It's .430 B.C isn't enough to increase it's longer range impact velocity much higher that that of the 225gr TSX/200gr TTSX. But I'll choose it over the Mono-metal if I suspect impacts of low velocity.


I ran the 250 gr NPT when going after Moose and knowing that ranges might be 300 yards or farther. Although it's .446 B.C. is a wee bit higher than all the above, it doesn't get pushed much beyone 2400fps from my muzzle.
It's beauty is, when impacts are close and the typical front half does it's thing, you have more bullet shank and weight plowing through than you will have with the 225gr version.
And the 250gr NPT will plow. cool

All in all, you could blindly pic most any 35 cal bullet of 225gr and heavier and enjoy the results.
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Hodgdon will suggest Varget.
But I got better shot to shot consistency with H-4895
Rl-15 might give slightly faster velocities.., slightly.






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2 deer and 2 elk 225 gr Partition IMR 4320 bout as good as it gets in MY book,can't imagine how it could have been better dead is dead. Magnum Man

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250 grain speer hot core 35 caliber bullets, federal 215 primers, over IMR 4320,or H4895, or WW748 or IMR 3031, all work reasonably well.

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Now that John has answered the rest of the "peanut gallery" can answer smile It is really hard to beat the 225 gr Accubond for all around use, the moose I shot with one last fall would agree. The 225 gr Partition is another great choice and seems to damage less meat than the Accubonds from what we have seen in the past. In my old Whelen 60 gr Varget with a CCI 250 gave 2763 fps from a 22" barrel chronographed 10 feet out. When my new Whelen gets here tomorrow 200 gr Accubonds and 200 gr TTSX will be waiting,both may be great bullets but the 225 gr Ab will be hard to beat.


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North61,

Contrary to popular belief, bullets do not become less stable further downrange. They actually become more stable, due to spinning just about as fast while air pressure on the front end of the bullet decreases due to less velocity.

Your problem with the 225 AccuBond and downrange accuracy is due to something other than the 1-16 twist.


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John,

What's it mean when someone says the bullet goes to sleep?



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