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Well I didn't like the first generation of BT's and avoided shooting them, till the other day. I when to the range to check zero of my Blaser R-93 7mm RM, I forgot to take a box of ammo, so I bought some 150 gr BT federal loads. Long drive to the range. I didn't have to do much, and boy do they shoot out of my barrel. Was not off much. 4 shots did it. We will see on the white tails I hunt this fall. My guess not a problem.


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Here's a fresh 30 125gr from an easy open package. For those seeking rapid expansion...
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Originally Posted by JohnMoses
Seen a few of them caught by pigs, but they all died.


I would hope so. Would suck trying to recover one while the critter was still alive. grin

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That was meant tongue n cheek.. Lol.

Glad someone caught it. grin

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UUMM, I didn't get an answer to do we need to keep the BTs below 3000fps and IF the new BTs are built like the Accubonds.. is there a difference.... other than the bonding ?? Shooters pro shop has the 150 BT in 284 diameter as seconds right now. Anyone know if they are the old version or the Accubond want to be's ??

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Old 150 NBT...... new 150 NBT..... it doesn't matter a frickin' lick.... you crash one of those suckers into fur, and you'll be needing a knife post haste.

I have bashed more than a few 3000+ fps NBTs into critters... some as fast as 4000 fps (6 Rem/55).... only caught one.


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Originally Posted by ackley33806
UUMM, I didn't get an answer to do we need to keep the BTs below 3000fps and IF the new BTs are built like the Accubonds.. is there a difference.... other than the bonding ?? Shooters pro shop has the 150 BT in 284 diameter as seconds right now. Anyone know if they are the old version or the Accubond want to be's ??


I've used NBT's on a lot of game and out of a lot of cals and most of them have a lot of speed to them. I sure don't wait till a critter gets to a point where the bullets going Sub 3K till I drop the hammer.

Close range, and a lot of speed then a lot of meat will get rearranged and that's fine with me cause I like my critters turfed quickly.

Bottom line, load em up and light the torch.

What kind of game are you taking and at what ranges on a yearly basis?

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Originally Posted by Mark R Dobrenski

I've used NBT's on a lot of game and out of a lot of cals and most of them have a lot of speed to them. I sure don't wait till a critter gets to a point where the bullets going Sub 3K till I drop the hammer.

Close range, and a lot of speed then a lot of meat will get rearranged and that's fine with me cause I like my critters turfed quickly.

Bottom line, load em up and light the torch.

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I love it.....and agree 100% !


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I've said this b4, but the thing I love about my big 7 (Mashburn is my choice) along with the 150 NBT is that it pounds game at longer ranges akin to what it's like using a 9 iron on a field mouse....... cool

Don't ask the next Q....grin

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Originally Posted by Mark R Dobrenski
I've said this b4, but the thing I love about my big 7 (Mashburn is my choice) along with the 150 NBT is that it pounds game at longer ranges akin to what it's like using a 9 iron on a field mouse.......
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I would have to concur.... though I prefer a long iron for vermin work... little more range.

I've seen more game definitively anchored via Big 7 (RM/Roy) + Ballistic Tip than any other combo I can think of.

Deer with a Big Seven/150 NBT..... is like coyotes with a Big Six/87 Vmax..... ohhhh how critters hate the high velocity exit wound....


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I totally concur and I love my 6/06 for yotes with a 95 NBT

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I hope to be able to put a .338 180gn BT through a deer this Fall.

Edit: pic from the web (unknown source). .338 180 BT on RT

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I have been shooting BT's in various 7 mm Rem Mags and WSM's since 2004. I killed 13 deer with 140 gr and 11 with 150 gr. Muzzle velocities ranged from 3170-3300 fps with both bullets. Of course impact velocities varied as well as shot angles etc. Either bullet will kill a deer, in my limited experince I witnessed quicker kills with the 140's with no regard to muzzle velocity. I recently sectioned a 140 grain in the new box and it did not have a tapered jacket. The past couple of years I have been using 150's this year I'm going back to 140's for good...maybe.

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I've sectioned a bunch of bullets over the past 25 years--enough to learn not to come to any conclusions until some get shot into both "media" and animals.


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Quite right. Sectioning can be fun to look at- haven't done it in a long, long time now, but it doesn't say anything about alloy properties or temper of metals.


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Wasn't worried about stuff dieing of BT poisoning but was wondering about blast holes. I have been shooting the BTs awhile too and I don't think I have found one yet. But had a surface blast hole with my 250 3000 last year but that was with a 100 bt @ maybe 20 feel and it still went in to the dirt. Shooting my 280 AI this year on does in January and have some 162 gr Amax I have been shooting out to 611 yards { that is the last row of beans}. Have never shot a deer at long range { to me} but always wanted to shoot one at 500 yards + and this is going to be my year. I have some 140 gr accubonds I have yet to try in this gun but the way those Amaxs and accubonds shoot....WELL, I am sharpening my knives now. Come on down and I will fry you some fat Iowa white tail back straps for lunch.

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Maybe it's just a waste of a 'good' bullet and precious time. blush

Would like to see more, specifically the 6mm 95 and .277 140.

Here's the oft-posted 7mm 140 and 120.
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I can vouch for the "tender" characteristic of the first BTs. Shot both 130s and 150s from my 270 featherweight into deerses back in the '80s and never had an exit. Because I was strictly a ribcage shooter back then, the deerses died, but the versatility for placement in harder parts of the animal was just not there. I still have some of the old stuff around in their original boxes. Might have to give the "new" BTs a second look sometime. OTOH, I now have enough 7mm Hornady spirepoints in 154 and 175 grain weights to keep a couple loonies happy for quite some time - certainly enough to last the rest of my life. There isn't any controversy about the efficacy of those spire points and, as I understand it, there never was.



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I shot the 150gr original,100 bullets to a box,in my 7mag in 1994.They were bloody messy on deer.Not too many years after that they went to 50 bullets to a box and sometime there after they started changing the design on the inside.I quit using the old style 150gr in 1995 after I shot a buck in the scapula at 250yds.He jumped straight up on impact and went quickly down.I could see blood on his mouth and nostrils,so I knew I made a good solid hit.Shortly there after the buck got up and made his way to the brush before I could get another shot off.I trailed him through the brush and found him lying down.I quickly put one in his neck and that was the end of story.When I was processing the deer this is what I recovered in the ridge of the scapula.

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The bullet fragments never broke through the scapula and I would have lost that buck had I not went after it.If I was shooting a smaller caliber rifle,I most likely would have not recovered it,if the same thing would have happened.The only explanation I can give for the bloody mouth and nostrils is,he absorbed the full shock of the 7mag impact,causing hemorrhaging inside his lungs and that is what kept him from going to far,because none of the bullet made it past the scapula.
Since those days,Nosler has come along way in improving the design of that bullet and I would not be afraid to use them for any of my game shooting.

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