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I'm planning a trip to Argentina, for Water Buffalo, Wild Boar, and Axis deer. Since the buff is the largest game on the ticket, I plan to take the .416, and use it for everything. I don't want to take two rifles along.
Question- I have developed some loads for the .416, reducing the MV to Rigby levels in order to use it without the brake. However- given that I will be using it on Axis deer, at longer ranges likely than the buff, I'd kinda like the flatter trajectory and lower recoil that the brake offers.
What say you all?
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Just think of it as a 3006 on steroids.. Super round, great choice. Just keep the speed up around 2400 plus if you have to but personally I'd use the round's full capability.
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I have been using a 416Rigby loaded to 416 WBY levels. Works, kills stuff but does come back on ya so practicing with 300gr bullets at about 2000fps or less then working up from there is a good idea.
Save and protect your hearing, and that of thos around you by getting rid of that damnedable BRAKE though. If you cannot shoot a rifle well without a brake, go down in caliber and recoil until you can. Nothing on your list could not be killed very dead very fast with a 375 or a 9.3x62 or similar. FAR better a 9.3 something sans brake then a superboomer with one.
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My friend who has hunted big game animals for 25 years, is now going to purchase a Weatherby .416 magnum rifle. He plans on going to Africa and asked me what I thought, I said it is one gun that will do 98% of all you would want to hunt with including dangerous game.
He asked me what that 2 percent would be and I told him elephants! Many people believe that the .416 caliber is not as good as the .458-Lots, 505-Gibs or bigger even. I showed him a report of a .416 mag 400 grn bullet going length wise into the tusk of a big tusker and how it was hit in the rear end.
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Retumbo and a 350 TSX, pressures will be low with the extra slow powder, and vels about 2450, so recoil wont be that bad.
Think there's a TXS in 300 gn. wt. also, should lessen recoil even more and will still be enough for buff.
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Safariman today got to shoulder the .416-Weatherby rifle with muzzle brake! I swear that rifle felt like it weighed in a 12 pounds. It just seemed way to heavy verses my 10.5 pound .416 Remington mag. in model 70 Winchester. My .458-Lott weighs in around the same too in the same brand of rifle etc.
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I have owned 3 of them so there may be something here that you can use for reference.
.416 Weatherby Magnum Page 1.
Bullet Load Powder O. A. L. Velocity Energy Comments
300gn Barnes SP
120gn IMR 4350 3049
121gn IMR 4350 3079 6313 25 inch barrel
118gn AR 2209 3020
119gn AR 2209 3034
115gn WIN 760 2961
116gn WIN 760 2996
120gn IMR 4831 3008
121gn H 4831 2772 Original H 4831
100gn IMR 4320 2836
102gn IMR 4320 2859
104gn IMR 4320 2932
300gn Barnes X
115gn AR 2209 2982 5924
117gn AR 2209 3.691" 3041 6162 Very Accurate Load
117gn WIN 760 2988
325gn Barnes X
115gn IMR 4831 2925 6176 Great long range load
118gn AR 2213 2824 Mild
120gn AR 2213 2884 6007
122gn WMR 2726
125gn WMR 2803 5671 MAX
335gn Trophy Bonded Bear Claws
121gn Rel 19 2834 Light Recoil - easy shooting load
123gn Rel 19 2874
120gn IMR 4831 2829
117gn AR 2209 2956 6501 Heavy recoil - full power load
340gn Woodleigh
120gn Rel 19 2890 6307
113gn AR 2209 2923
115gn AR 2209 2968
119gn IMR 4350 3074 MAX
121gn AR 2213 2949
123gn AR 2213 2992 6760
119gn IMR 4831 2966
121gn IMR 4831 2984 6724
113gn WIN 760 2901
115gn WIN 760 2926 6465
350gn Barnes X
112gn AR 2209 3.689" 2824
114gn AR 2209 2856 6341 1.1 MOA Top load
114gn IMR 4350 2846
118gn IMR 4831 2918
119gn IMR 4831 2925 6651
120gn H 4831 2729 Original H 4831
114gn AR 2213 2750 5869
116gn AR 2213 2800 6096
93gn IMR 4320 2529
95gn IMR 4320 2571 Mild easy shooting load
400gn Hornady RN
112gn IMR 4350 2731 6626 Full Factory Specs
112gn AR 2213 2585
114gn AR 2213 2607
111gn AR 2209 2745 6694 Full Factory Specs
112gn IMR 4831 2701
113gn H 4831 2530 Original H 4831
100gn AR 2209 2436 Duplicates Rigby Load
90gn IMR 4064 2455
95gn IMR 4064 2564
115gn Rel 19 2716
112gn H 4831 2578 New H 4831
116gn H 4831 2679 6376
400gn Barnes X
112gn IMR 4831 2680
112gn Rel 22 2580 mildly compressed load
113gn AR 2213 2626
108gn IMR 4350 2685
113gn Rel 19 2641
115gn Rel 19 2682
117gn Rel 19 2731 6626 1.127" Top load for heavy game.
410gn Woodleigh
90gn AR 2208 2406 Rigby Velocities
111gn AR 2209 2747
110gn H 4831 2447 Rigby Velocities Original H 4831
108gn IMR 4350 2697 6624
109gn IMR 4350 2704 6658
113gn AR 2213 2712 6523
112gn IMR 4831 2742 6680
NOTE: AR 2208 is VARGET and AR 2209 is H 4350
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Aussie did you ever officially weigh that .416-Weatherby?
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Aussie did you ever officially weigh that .416-Weatherby? Nope. I have never weighed any rifle. Never understood why anyone did. John
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I have owned 3 of them so there may be something here that you can use for reference.
.416 Weatherby Magnum Page 1.
Bullet Load Powder O. A. L. Velocity Energy Comments
300gn Barnes SP
120gn IMR 4350 3049
121gn IMR 4350 3079 6313 25 inch barrel
118gn AR 2209 3020
119gn AR 2209 3034
115gn WIN 760 2961
116gn WIN 760 2996
120gn IMR 4831 3008
121gn H 4831 2772 Original H 4831
100gn IMR 4320 2836
102gn IMR 4320 2859
104gn IMR 4320 2932
300gn Barnes X
115gn AR 2209 2982 5924
117gn AR 2209 3.691" 3041 6162 Very Accurate Load
117gn WIN 760 2988
325gn Barnes X
115gn IMR 4831 2925 6176 Great long range load
118gn AR 2213 2824 Mild
120gn AR 2213 2884 6007
122gn WMR 2726
125gn WMR 2803 5671 MAX
335gn Trophy Bonded Bear Claws
121gn Rel 19 2834 Light Recoil - easy shooting load
123gn Rel 19 2874
120gn IMR 4831 2829
117gn AR 2209 2956 6501 Heavy recoil - full power load
340gn Woodleigh
120gn Rel 19 2890 6307
113gn AR 2209 2923
115gn AR 2209 2968
119gn IMR 4350 3074 MAX
121gn AR 2213 2949
123gn AR 2213 2992 6760
119gn IMR 4831 2966
121gn IMR 4831 2984 6724
113gn WIN 760 2901
115gn WIN 760 2926 6465
350gn Barnes X
112gn AR 2209 3.689" 2824
114gn AR 2209 2856 6341 1.1 MOA Top load
114gn IMR 4350 2846
118gn IMR 4831 2918
119gn IMR 4831 2925 6651
120gn H 4831 2729 Original H 4831
114gn AR 2213 2750 5869
116gn AR 2213 2800 6096
93gn IMR 4320 2529
95gn IMR 4320 2571 Mild easy shooting load
400gn Hornady RN
112gn IMR 4350 2731 6626 Full Factory Specs
112gn AR 2213 2585
114gn AR 2213 2607
111gn AR 2209 2745 6694 Full Factory Specs
112gn IMR 4831 2701
113gn H 4831 2530 Original H 4831
100gn AR 2209 2436 Duplicates Rigby Load
90gn IMR 4064 2455
95gn IMR 4064 2564
115gn Rel 19 2716
112gn H 4831 2578 New H 4831
116gn H 4831 2679 6376
400gn Barnes X
112gn IMR 4831 2680
112gn Rel 22 2580 mildly compressed load
113gn AR 2213 2626
108gn IMR 4350 2685
113gn Rel 19 2641
115gn Rel 19 2682
117gn Rel 19 2731 6626 1.127" Top load for heavy game.
410gn Woodleigh
90gn AR 2208 2406 Rigby Velocities
111gn AR 2209 2747
110gn H 4831 2447 Rigby Velocities Original H 4831
108gn IMR 4350 2697 6624
109gn IMR 4350 2704 6658
113gn AR 2213 2712 6523
112gn IMR 4831 2742 6680
NOTE: AR 2208 is VARGET and AR 2209 is H 4350
John Good stuff. Thanks John!
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Fotis,
Do you need any brass for that .416? I have around 80 rounds, I think, both primed and unprimed, all once fired Weatherby brass.
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I'd use the 350 gr. Barmes TSX at about 2600 and it will kill anything you need with good trajectory.
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I'd use the 350 gr. Barmes TSX at about 2600 and it will kill anything you need with good trajectory. I have shot the GS Customs 330 gr HV at 3100 fps with great success from my previous Classicmark.
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There used to be a great bullet I tried called the 335gn Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. That was something really special. Shame the good stuff seems to disappear.
For local use, the 300gn X is fine for anything on this continent. For dangerous game, I'd go all tge way to the 400 (410) or 450 grain bullets but that is because I am old school.
The 350gn X's really would suffice for most of everything but the recoil goes up fast once you go up from the 300 grainers......if that is a consideration.
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I know! I would love to get a 325 gr Accubond or E-tip~
Something with a nice BC!
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