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Saw one at a gunshow, the guy said they are available only to military and police, and are the best Ar-15 out there?

Anyone own one? Know about them?


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Sounds like gunshow B.S.. Lewis Machine and Tool, aka LMT receivers, etc. are high quality stuff, but not a rarity. Someone with more knowledge with me can tell you, but LMT makes a bunch of proprietary receivers, etc..

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E4E??????

For my purposes if its winning a match or depending my life on it, my AR will be custom built by a top line gunny for the job at hand.

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LMT is currently restricting sales of complete rifles to L.E. and Military.

Beware the gunsho assemblys.

It ain't nothing to buy a complete upper and a complete lower, push 2 pins and call it "factory" when it ain't.

LMT contract rifles are issued to our best.

Contract rifles have an overall QA/QC before they leave the facility.

More than one Maggot has taken advantage.

Given some time, I suspect LMT will catch up and offer rifles to our populace with the same standards that allow for a Colt or FN stamp on the lower.

Complete LMT lowers are available.
Complete LMT uppers are available.

It takes nothing for some carpet bagger to combine the two and make claims.

Buyer beware.

LMT is good stuff, if it's honest.

They are taking care of our sheepdogs first, currently.
And are overwhelmed by demand.

Mind your dollar.
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before they quit selling to the general public i bought a complete gun from them and the fit and finish is better then any AR i have ever seen. Mine was bought with the collapsible stock and a LaRue picatinny handguard, but i may change it over for the Yankee Hill milled Light weight handguard unit as i like it a bit better.

Just saw one of our local Swat guys had the new switch barrel unit , There is no need to change uppers its some kind of quick pin arrangement (under 20 second barrel swap) did not have time to look it over close though. This is in a full auto Le/military only M4 variant. He is carrying a 16" barrel for patrol car work with Aimpoint, but has a 20 " barrel and a 10X leup in spare rings for long work and a 10.5" barrel for entry work. Something makes me think that 10.5" entry barrel in full auto is the cats meow for SWAT work and from what i hear the Swat operators agree!

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E4E,
My current plan for an M4gery (when I get my nickels all piled up), is a complete LMT M4 type upper from Bravo Co, and a complete RockRiver lower. But I've also considered getting an LMT lower so the finish matches, it looks less frankengun, and MAYBE a little more MPI attention than RR.

I interpreted from your last post that the complete LMT rifles being shipped to our fighters are somehow even higher quality than a LMT upper and lower slapped together. How so? If the CQ of everything they release is top notch, what real control is there in assembling the two big halves (upper/lower)? I don't care about trying to build or buy an exact replica of the ones our Sheepdogs are using, but I do want the most reliable, durable, and trouble free M4 I can get. I'm thinking LMT may be it.

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Mr. 222Rem,
"Sheepdogs"? If you would not mind my asking, who or what are you refering to?
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Wind, "Sheepdogs" is a fairly commonly used term for "protectors of the flock", i.e. the military and law enforcement. E4E made reference to it in his last post also. The metaphor involves sheep (the average joe citizen), wolves (bad guys, foreign and domestic), and sheepdogs (protectors of the sheep). Hope this helps.
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Mr. 222Rem,
Thank you sir. I did not know that.
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222,

On the QC issue of buying a complete lower, and a complete upper and just putting them together...

LMT loses control of the fit standards between the upper and the lower, and the relationship the components have with each other at that point.

Granted that if both halves were within spec. things "Should" be ok.

But there is a situation known as "Tolerence stacking" that can happen and does quite frequently in any manufacturing process.

If final QC was not done by LMT and to thier standards for the overall assembly, the reputation for the quality of LMT's rifles isn't behind it.

The Contract rifles suffer final assembly scrutiny that the components don't.

Though the LMT components are scrutinized right up to the point of the end of the line and are amoung the best out there.

It would be a good bet, but not a guaranteed one.

Kinda like putting together your own Chevy from Factory parts.


Heck, I can't see where your idea could go wrong as long as the final assembly was eyeballed by a good 'Smith that was intimate with the AR.

One warning about RR lowers.
They tend to run a bit tight!

There might be some fitting involved with some combinations.

But then that can be a very good thing.

LMT does not sell stripped lowers because of a policy that was implimented to protect LMT from the chance of an LMT lower bieng completed with hodge podge parts, and then not bieng proper, to no fault of LMT.

I have a couple of LMT based hybrids that have been just wonderfull.

As trustworthy factory assemblys go, LMT is at the very top of my list.

It's the stuff they have been interfaced with that has been the source of a headache or two.

The finish issue can be a pain in the Tucas!

Have seen several times where Lowers from the same manufacturer don't quite match the upper in finish, and LMT isn't exempt. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Finish is most often done in batches, and quite often outsourced.

Get a lower and an upper from two different batches, and it's "Frankengun" looking, even though it came out of the box that way.

Have been issued M16A2's that didn't match very well, and currently have some Carbines in the armory that came from the factory that didn't match well at all.


Though I will say that the finish on the LMT components I have eyeballed , are always pretty close even when a slight difference is noted.

Better than another that often can vary between black, and several shades of dark Grey.

Best of luck on the project!!!
The LMT components is where I would start as well.

Anymore, CMT,LMT and RR is where I start and stop except for Bravo and thier soon coming uppers with complete MPI.

Paul has an upper headed my way, and a case of NASTY Wolf ammo hit the porch last week.

I'm gonna try and wear the thing out, and take notes on accuracy, malfunctions, and dimensional changes through several thousand rounds, and some real world abuse.

Will report back here and there, on the home page and here as things go on and time allows.

It's been a warmish and wet winter with lots of mud.

Should be fun. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Dadgum Double tap!

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E4E, thanks for the thorough answer. My bag of nickels is slowly growing-------I'm learning patience while learning about ARs. Running the first mag through it will be sweet indeed!
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WindWalker,

222 nailed it.

But the term also applies to non-uniformed folks that carry a firearm, prepare, and train seriously, for all the reasons uniformed folks do.

Family, self, and community.

It's a mindset label, not a club name.

There's likely to be many Sheepdogs at any small town Church service, Scout meeting, Funeral, Wedding, or sipping tea at an Optimists club meeting right this moment.


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We should note that the finish color of any AR is not anything that will or can affect the accuracy or reliability. As most know I could care less what you think my weapon looks like. Its reliable and I can run it. And odds are its as accurate as anything anyone else has.

But it does make them funky looking and kill any resale value(which is why if I can find blemmed uppers or lowers that are spec-- my gunsmith has them from time to time-- I buy what I can afford as they are cheaper - and I don't resell, if I buy it, its mine forever)

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so, if you had a LMT, rock river, Olympic, Bushmaster or Armalite to choose from, with in 15% price of each other, similarly ourfitted, what would you buy?


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LMT only from what I hear, or RRA. Others I've had some serious problems with. Worst thing that I've seen on an RRA is a bad crown which should not get out, but has. And is cheap to fix. The others I'd say I'd have just as good a chance as a Model 1 sales doing as good....

YMMV, Jeff


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