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They have been doing it for years. The CIA funded and operates a system called ECHELON which is a signals intelligence (SIGINT) collection and analysis network operated on behalf of the five states to the UKUSA Security Agreement (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States, referred to by a number of abbreviations, including AUSCANNZUKU and Five Eyes.
It has also been described as the only software system which controls the download and dissemination of the intercept of commercial satellite trunk communications.The system Has the software controlling the collection of civilian telecommunications traffic conveyed using communication satellites. It also "kicks in" and monitors and "flags" telephone calls when certain "key words" are use, so If you just happened to mention "Semtex and Prince Harry's underpants,in a telephone conversation , it would "kick in" and monitor and store that conversation. It does this with internet traffic, so you can bet your bottom dollar, that GCHQ in Cheltnam and also Sugar Grove in West Virginia,will most likley be reading this.
They have ECHALON intercept and monitor stations at the Australian Defence Satellite Communications Station (Geraldton, Western Australia)
RAF Menwith Hill (Yorkshire, UK) (the largest Echelon facility in the world)
Misawa Air Base (Japan)US,
GCHQ Bude, (Cornwall, UK)
Pine Gap ,Alice Springs, Australia
Sugar Grove (West Virginia, US)
Yakima Training Center (Washington, US)
GCSB Waihopai (New Zealand)
GCSB Tangimoana (New Zealand)
CFS Leitrim (Ontario, Canada)
Teufelsberg (Berlin, Germany)US
RAF Ayios Nikolaos air base (Cyprus - UK)
Buckley Air Force Base (Aurora, Colorado, US)
Fort Gordon (Georgia, US)
Gander (Newfoundland & Labrador, Canada)
Guam (Pacific Ocean, US)
Kunia (Hawaii, US)
Lackland Air Force Base,San Antonio, US

WTF ????

Us is now doing worldwide spying ????? Are you kidding ????



Im' pretty sure our intelligence agencies have some good cooperation with yours.

The thing is all the stations that I mentioned above that arn't on US soil are manned by the US National Security Agency and
RAF Menwith Hill is manned by the US 451st Intelligence Squadron as well as the NSA.
So really the US Government doesn't trust its NATO allies to spy on themselves! The NSA's intelligence gathering is supposed to be limited to foreign communications, although domestic incidents such as the NSA warrantless surveillance controversy have occurred in the US.
These activities, especially the publicly acknowledged domestic telephone tapping and call database programs, have prompted questions about the extent of the NSA's activities and concerns about threats to privacy.
NSA monitors huge volumes of records of domestic emails and Internet searches as well as bank transfers, credit-card transactions and travel and telephone records World wide and also with in the US.

They have been doing this since before the NSA was founded. Same games different names. Everyone does it. More BS from our friends. If they aren't doing anything what do they have to hide?

It outrages me that Europeans are outraged by anything we do. If it wasn't for our money and blood, they would all be speaking German or Russian and it would serve them right. They're all a bunch ingrates.

So then paul375, what is your phone number so I can give you a call? I have a few things I'd like to discuss concerning certain people

London has the most intrusive on-street spying system going. With that being tolerated and even touted, why in the world would this bother you?

Happy Birthday GV!

So true...

Being filmed in the UK and having emails and Internet searches as well as bank transfers, credit-card transactions and travel activities and telephone calls monitored by the US government are diffent things. But they are doing the same to US citizens as well.

Imagine knowing all the dirty little secrets. Business would be so much easier

Pieter, we are going to end up on a long holiday at Guantanamo Bay!


Watch4bear,
Yep,in 1995 European aerospace company Airbus lost a $6 billion contract with Saudi Arabia after the US National Security Agency reported that Airbus officials had been bribing Saudi officials to secure the contract.

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I am really greatful to the US for the war loan (with interest) it gave us that we finally paid off in 2006 (the last instalment was $83.25m)we couldn't of survived with out it. However if it wasn't for Hitler declaring war on the US in Dec 41' it wouldn't have entered the European and North African theatre as it did in 1942.

As for speaking German, I still think a lot of people in Europe still speak it!

It always amazes me when it needs to be restated that the Battle for Britain was won by the British and her allies long before the US entered the war. Thanks to you all who stood up to Hitler. It was only with the help of the US and others that the fight was finally taken to the Germans and only after Germany declared war on the US at the end of 41. Your entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.
The Brits need not thank anyone for saving their asses from anyone. The world owes her a debt for standing alone at such a dark hr. saving a free foothold to launch D-Day in 44.

Paul and TZ, a lot of us don't consider the UK "european".
I personally, and I'm sure many others, am amazed and grateful for the courage and tenacity England showed before (and after) we got into the war.

Didn't realize y'all had paid off that loan. That is VERY impressive.

Makes me proud of my English heritage.

Regards,

Bob.

Thanks for the clarity Brasos.
I knew that but it is good to keep the record straight. I really should be the last guy to defend England as a Canadian who had an 18 year old uncle killed by the RAF while serving in the German Navy and of 4 of my Grandmothers brothers, 3 died at Stalingrad serving with the German 6th army.
Like I said everyone is entitled to their opinion just not their own facts.
(Canada lost 45000 servicemen in ww2, including more than 10000 in bomber command.)
Back to the topic what in the world are we going to do with the endless amounts of information being collected by both sides? Spying is a way of life for all governments.......especially of their own.
Congrats on the payback, how did such a socialistic country manage that?

Hi TZ,
My, Uncle was in the RCAF, he was born in Winniepeg. At the Age of 19 he flew in Wellington Bombers, then went on to fly with 550sqn on Lancasters,his war time log books are very harrowing. After the war he joined the RAF and was involved in the Berlin airlift. He was killed during the 50's on a routine op (on my Mothers birthday of all days!). His son ,my cousin live less than a mile away fro me.
As for loss in conflict, my family had a boat building bussiness on the River Humber. Most of males out of the family and also that worked for the bussiness that went to fight in between 1914-18 didn't come back.And the bussiness didn't survive. We really did lose a generation of decent hard workin men. My Grand father was one that did come back . he was wounded at Messines, very badly, but went back to fight in 1918. He always walked with a waddle a would never talk about what he went through. When I reserched his military records I found why.
I don't hold any form of animosity towards the German people for the loss of my family or for what my mother and Grand Mother had to go through during the 40's, being bombed every night.
Durin WW1 and WW2 the loss on both sides was horiffic, and as for winning the war , Britain didn't come close, we are still suffering from it, with over crowded run down housing that people were put in as a replacement for homes lost in the bombing and have never been replaced. Go to any town in the UK and you will see run down post war,austeriy housing estates.


Back to topic, I do object to the NSA spying on the people of the UK and the rest of the world, using ECHOLON, but then if we didn't use the internet and freely give info, then that would be half the problem gone. Its also the fact the US government is doing on UK soil with the support of the British government.

Paul,

The story I have heard is that the US routes certain domestic traffic over to the UK where it is intercepted by GCHQ.

GCHQ then send the recordings back to the interested Agency in the States.

Apparently this enables the Agency in the US to say hand on heart they don't intercept and listen to to domestic traffic and puts the actual monitoring ect in the hands of GCHQ and beyond US law..

Regards,

Peter