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Varmint Guy: I have to add the 17 HM2 round along with the 17 HMR for spring prairie dog pup shooting .I consider myself over gunned using the 17 HMR for shots within 100 yards. I have gotten five boxes of 17 Hornet ammo, a 4-16X AO scope,and military sling,but still have to order Redding Neck& FL dies and some empty brass. Whenever I get a 17 Hornet rifle I ll have all I need to shot it. Come spring I plan on having the three rifles in my pickup. Over the years after reading about various new cartridges. I got them so I know what they will do. Theres some who have a lot of ideas but I doubt that they have tryed out only a few firearms and cartridges.

VG, when you getting married?

Plus 1. The fast and light rimfire movement has been beat to death. .17m2, .17hmr, 5mm and lightweight .22m's, I have zero interest in another rodent slayer. I'd never heard of the .25rf until reading Keith and afterwards wondered why in the world it went away. Apparently it just makes way too much sense to come to being again.

I think it is going to be the "17 Winchester Super Magnum".

I was searching and came across this under ammunition through an online store.

http://www.loudoungunsinc.com/winch...per-magnum-25gr-vmax-s17w25-p-33621.html

DigitalDan: I have been married 36 years and 3 months... so far.
The VarmintWife is a workaholic - thank you Lord!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Barm: Thanks for that interesting link.
You may just have solved this mystery!
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VarmintGuy

VarmintGuy,

I have wanted to know for awhile and I wanted to share when I found out.

Bracer: I am with you on the 100 yard "minimum limit" when using my 17 HMR's (except I use my Smith & Wesson Model 647 in 17 HMR to bonk Ground Squirrels in to about 40 yards) - 17 HMR Rifles are simply more gun than needed for the closer Gophers. And theres no need to be wasting ammo money using the 17 HMR's when the cheap 22's will take them out at the closer ranges.
I have to get on the stick and order some 17 Hornet dies myself - thanks for the reminder!
All I have so far is the ammo boxes (no brass or factory ammo) along with some primers and a good variety of 17 caliber bullets.
Do you think 17 Hornet brass is available anywhere as yet/soon?
Or are you thinking of making your brass from 22 Hornet stuff?
I think I will go with the Redding dies myself - I will try to get along without the 3 die set myself. Until I see a need.
When one of my acquaintances or someone I don't know passes along an opinion that I am dubious of I always wait a few or several minutes and then revisit said "opinion" and query them regarding actual hands on experience by them on said opinion.
I often end up finding out there is NO first hand experience by them at all to be basing an opinion on.
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VarmintGuy

Yours 647 must shoot alot better than most do then. Mine is worst grouping pistol I have ever had in my hands.
That is an issue that had constantly plauged the model accross the board.

I was told by a tech at s&w company that is the very reason they disontinued the model. He said it was an otherwise exteremly popular model but accuracy issues caused em to pull the plug on it.

I checked the link out. I didn't see any ballistics info on it there. Does that round fit in the parimeters of the decription given by the mystery person that has supposedly shot the round? see below.....

I don't say this based merely on rumor or manufacturer hype. I've shot the new round. It does everything Winchester says it will. The bullets fly from the muzzle 500 fps faster than any other rimfire cartridge I'm aware of. At 250 yards, they retain nearly double the energy of the next-best round in their class. During my testing off sand bags from a portable bench, five bullets clustered just over 1 inch at 100 yards in light but variable winds. A single four-shot group went into a .39-inch spread, and one 300-yard four-shot group fell inside of 2.5 inches. All this was accomplished with a prototype bolt-action rifle so unrefined that cartridges had to be hand fed and extracted from the chamber with a knife blade.

Ballistic coefficient and velocity of the bullets are so high that this new round should hold a Maximum Point Blank Range of 250 yards on an 8-inch target. This means you aim at the center of the 8-inch target and hit it at any and all distances out to 250 yards. Last but not least, the new rounds should cost within 10 percent of currently available rimfire rounds in their class, or about a third less than some centerfire rounds with similar ballistic performance.

I'm sorry I don't know about the ballistics, but I also did more searching and found someone else talking about it.

http://www.varminter.com/winchester-worlds-fastest-rimfire-cartridge-coming-2013/

Looks like that might be whats causeing the stir...
Just a 25grn in the .17 now available would be a big help in med size varmits imo.
I can tell a big differance in the 17 grn and the 20 grn's in the .17 cal thats out there now.

From that link:

"However, if the specs are true, this should eclipse the 3000 feet per second mark..."

Well, there you have it! The cat is out of the bag. In honor of the 100th anniversary* of the .250-3000, Winchester is going to introduce the .17-3000 in a Portugese made reproduction of the Savage 99. Should be exciting!






*They're three years ahead of schedule but who's quibbling?

The Winchester PR dept is loving this and other threads around the Internets!

Let me suggest something that goes against the grain. It will be a lackluster 204, destined to fail because of ammunition costs and little industry support for the platform.

I know what you're thinking, but with all the hype, there must be a requirement for anti-hype. Remember Newton's third law of motion - For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Is the 204 your refering to a rimfire?

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What are the physical dimentions of the 17wsm rf case as compared to the 22 mag or the 17 hmr?

Thats funny,... other folks here have given more info than you did on it....

What it boils down to is that we'll have to wait for the official announcement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y