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#7080541 - 11/16/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: gunner500]  
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shoot farther...

Or try 3 under with a ring finger in the corner of your mouth.



You can do whatever you want. I can't help but notice that 3 under shooters are usually 20 yard warriors, and guys with sinking anchors are usually good for a dozen arrows tops, and then have a meltdown


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#7081447 - 11/16/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: DanAdair]  
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Thanks for the tip, I just finished page 37 in Camera's book "Shooting the Stick Bow", I have lots of reading and shooting ahead of me, that forking book is over 400 pages. shocked

Gunner


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#7081604 - 11/16/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: gunner500]  
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Originally Posted by gunner500
Thanks for the tip, I just finished page 37 in Camera's book "Shooting the Stick Bow", I have lots of reading and shooting ahead of me, that forking book is over 400 pages. shocked

Gunner


That book aint bad and has some valuable info in it, especially on tuning. BUT, please realize that Tony(Viper)Camera has never bowhunted in his entire life and never won a single tourney in archery.

He once said on a public forum Fred Bear "basically sucked" at shooting a bow, even though Fred won 3 consecutive Michigan state NFAA field championships and amassed the largest trophy bow kill collection in history up to that point.

I'd suggest Asbells books.

#7082207 - 11/16/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: Ghostinthemachine]  
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shocked saying FB sux is pure heresy, maybe camera needs to be hung by his smart ass sack for awhile.

Gunner


WTB correct 1-1/4" leather sling for a pre-64 375 H&H, I have the swivels.
#7082419 - 11/16/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: Ghostinthemachine]  
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Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Originally Posted by gunner500
Thanks for the tip, I just finished page 37 in Camera's book "Shooting the Stick Bow", I have lots of reading and shooting ahead of me, that forking book is over 400 pages. shocked

Gunner


That book aint bad and has some valuable info in it, especially on tuning. BUT, please realize that Tony(Viper)Camera has never bowhunted in his entire life and never won a single tourney in archery.

He once said on a public forum Fred Bear "basically sucked" at shooting a bow, even though Fred won 3 consecutive Michigan state NFAA field championships and amassed the largest trophy bow kill collection in history up to that point.

I'd suggest Asbells books.


I understand that Asbell kills stuff but every follower of his that I have ever shot with would miss the whole 3D deer more often than not.Maby they weren't squatting enough but I couldn't tell if they were going to shoot or take a [bleep].It could be that Asbell is really all that and his teaching just didn't translate well.

Maby my opinion is twisted as I have never met the man or seen him shoot.I don't have much respect though for his Black Widow teaching clinic where he only demonstrates how to shoot at a target a few feet away.He would gain my respect if he would show how it's done at 20 yards or more.

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#7082841 - 11/16/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: R_H_Clark]  
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Asbell has a room full of big game trophies.

Fred Bear has a museum full of big game trophies.

Camera has a big mouth, a book and a huge ego, little else.

#7083596 - 11/17/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: Ghostinthemachine]  
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I think they all have good information as well as things that work better for them.There are certin things that will benefit everyone and certin things that folks have to adapt and change to better fit their style,skill level,or even physical limitations.

My main criticism of Asbell is his squat and turn technique.Everyone I've personally seen try to use it,contorted their body into a completly uncomfortable and unstable position to shoot.It clearly had a negative effect on their accuracy.As I said it may have been more of a translation problem than a problem with form.

#7083958 - 11/17/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: DanAdair]  
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Originally Posted by DanAdair
shoot farther...

I can't help but notice that 3 under shooters are usually 20 yard warriors


TFF Dan! I'm a 3-under 20yd warrior.......well, 3-under 30yd warrior really. (grin)

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#7084179 - 11/17/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: R_H_Clark]  
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Originally Posted by R_H_Clark
I think they all have good information as well as things that work better for them.There are certin things that will benefit everyone and certin things that folks have to adapt and change to better fit their style,skill level,or even physical limitations.

My main criticism of Asbell is his squat and turn technique.Everyone I've personally seen try to use it,contorted their body into a completly uncomfortable and unstable position to shoot.It clearly had a negative effect on their accuracy.As I said it may have been more of a translation problem than a problem with form.


Asbell never says you have to squat like him. I think 'squat' is a derogatory term meant to ridicule anyway. He simply advocates getting into an athletic position.

I'm not saying Asbell or Welch or Viper or Eichler or anyone else has all the answers. Nobody does.

What I am saying, is to look at the teachers history as part of your overall assessment of the info brought forth.

It's very clear to me that 'Viper' Camera has never shot anything but 20 yard NFAA rounds INDOORS, in Long Island NY. He shoots lightweight bows, and has stated that he holds at draw for 10 seconds, which is ridiculous for the hunting archer. He;s deliberately confused about POA, gap, and instinctive techniques, and is a rude blowhard with nothing to back up his claims a guru, except said ego.

I prefer to listen to people that are hunting archers, and have been there and done that.

YMMV

#7084370 - 11/17/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: Ghostinthemachine]  
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I use modified ASbell method and has been effective for hunting. And Fred is a heck of a nice guy too.

Bravo

#7086502 - 11/18/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: BradArnett]  
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Originally Posted by BradArnett
Originally Posted by DanAdair
shoot farther...

I can't help but notice that 3 under shooters are usually 20 yard warriors


TFF Dan! I'm a 3-under 20yd warrior.......well, 3-under 30yd warrior really. (grin)

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Damn nice buck there BA, I only have a 60 lb doe at 9 yards to my traditional bow hunting credit, but I'll get there. wink

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#7089337 - 11/18/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: BradArnett]  
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Originally Posted by BradArnett
Originally Posted by DanAdair
shoot farther...

I can't help but notice that 3 under shooters are usually 20 yard warriors


TFF Dan! I'm a 3-under 20yd warrior.......well, 3-under 30yd warrior really. (grin)

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Brad, that picture is evidence that you know how to shoot a longbow. 3 under works very well for a lot of guys, my point was never to the contrary. But it does seem to be most prevalent with guys that shoot very accurately at shorter yardages, and there's nothing wrong with that in a bowhunting environment.

I shoot as many 3D shoots as I can every year, and I do okay at it. A good 3D course will make even the best of them take shots that they NEVER would hunting. Yardages can be longer. I only ever got my ass kicked by one buy that shot 3 under. Come on up to Montucky the first weekend of May for the Fawn Creek traditional shoot, we'll drink a couple gallons of been and discuss all this smile

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#7092637 - 11/19/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: DanAdair]  
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Dan, I know you can shoot, I've seen your posts on the other site. My downfall to shooting 3-under is my yardages. I am comfortable inside 25yds on critters and only to 30 on targets. I pretty much never shoot farther than that. My buddies who shoot split all tend to practice at further distances than i do. I also believe that shooting far tightens up their form and improves their "short" game as well. My post was in jest, but in my limited circle what you said is true.


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#7095394 - 11/20/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: BradArnett]  
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Took my Montana Longbow to the Butcher this evening to pick-up a pair of deer, he's a Bowsmith too, my draw length with tab and index finger anchored in the corner of my mouth is exactly 31"s, draw weight at 31"s measures at 62 lbs.

Do any of you men think this is too much for a 66" bow, I want to shoot it a lot and dont want to damage it?

Thanks,
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#7097784 - 11/21/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: gunner500]  
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Brad, I haven't shot a big game animal past 30 with a recurve ever in my life. The only time I'd take a shot on game farther is if the first arrow didn't go as planned and that was my only option. There's nothing wrong with a 3 under hold... I do agree about shooting at longer yardages, if you practice a lot at 50 (and I'll admit that I don't do it much anymore) shots at 25 are much easier.

Gunner, You aren't going to hurt that bow any. Fear not, if you keep up with the trad bow thing, some day you'll drop at least 1K on something fancy and custom. My Silvertip that's in the works will be an easy 1500 before I'm done.


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#7109863 - 11/25/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: DanAdair]  
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Thanks Dan, have since spoken to Dan out at Montana Bows and he mirrored your comments.

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WTB correct 1-1/4" leather sling for a pre-64 375 H&H, I have the swivels.
#7112770 - 11/25/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: gunner500]  
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Dan Toelke is the for real deal. If I ever went Longbow, it'd be one of his. I've shot piles of his bows, they're slick.

I'm just a recurve kind of guy, that's all there is to it.


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#7116831 - 11/27/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: DanAdair]  
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This is Pat's story.


I used the all yew Vixen longbow and a Grizzly broadhead to tag this young fellow..




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My Bud has several long bows. In the thread below shows him with a piggie last week I think.

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#7222130 - 12/24/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: butchlambert1]  
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A little late to the fire on this one but my form is similar to Barry Wensel - split finger, middle finger on tooth behind eye tooth, slight natural cant, and FOCUS on single point. When it feels right, it goes. If I start seeing the arrow, I screw up. Shooting golf balls or tennis balls in the yard is awesome practice as it stumpin'.
Byron Ferguson's "Become the arrow" is a good read. Masters of the barebow are good DVD's to see other's form. Paul Brunner had a video out with some form info also but I cannot recall the title.
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#7238479 - 12/28/12 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: gunner500]  
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Yep. Nose slap too. I make sure I shave regularly as we'll to avoid chaff from pulling out whiskers.

#7262599 - 01/03/13 Re: Traditional Bow Shooting [Re: brinky72]  
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Ghostinthemachine, I feel the need to call BS on your posts berating Anthony Camera. There seems to be a 'new' bunch of experts that think you have to shoot in the IBO to be able to shoot a trad bow. If you have read his book you would realise that most of his shooting was done in the 70's and 80's. He now just shoots and coaches mainly indoors by choice. In the book he plainly states that he hunted, just like most of us. I get so tired of the jealosy shown on Leatherwall and a couple of other trad sites I want to puke. Just because the guy took the time to organize and explain trad archery and put it in a book and they did not. These jokers say that Tony came up with these ideas and methods of how to shoot, in reality (if they would read the book before bashing it) they would soon learn that he is using methods as old as anyone can remember. He's not taking credit for the methods taught, just orgaized them so they are in one place and easy to understand. Until any of these 'experts' produce a book - "Shooting the Stickbow" is the gold standard. FWIW I have read Asbells books as well as Ferguson's and many others, none are anywere near as informative and complete when it comes to shooting and tuning traditional gear.


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