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#7278152 - 01/06/13 Re: Swampman is Indian for Lying Son of a Bitch [Re: billg]  
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i dont know about Sharon and TC . but yes some early CVA mountain rifles used Douglas and others .
However in recent years , there has been some debate as to if CVA ever used Douglas, as the paper work from what I have read isnít there showing it.
But again CVA was an importer/ retailer so they have always had someone else assemble the rifles or box their kits .

As I understand it , the problem was pretty much industry wide back then . Extruding was simply how barrel blanks were formed . Now they are drawn which makes for a much better and stronger barrel .

Yes Bill that would be .010 plus or minus ,between bores not within a bore .
I donít know what TC standard is for internal bore tolerances .

But
Like you , I have never cared for barrels that had lose spots or tight spots , if thatís the way the stick floats/ one wants to look at it . But again those areas can happen from many diffrent things
Doc White talked about rifle bore restriction some . he even as i recall calimed that having a bore tighter at the muzzle end , made for a more accurate barrel.
Im not saying thats what you have. . Regardless of the reasoning, if your uncomfortable with the situation then it should be inspected and fixed .


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#7278289 - 01/06/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: Oldelkhunter]  
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The MIM process for barrel production is interesting. That must be how they sell them so cheap. Of course the fact the they receive money from the spainish government helps too. I googled this Wakeman guy and he is interesting. I'll have to read up on him. Thanks!


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#7278297 - 01/06/13 Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: bigblock455]  
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Originally Posted by bigblock455
yep the cva mountain rifles in the early years used douglas.

TC used sharron? barrels and they had to stop in a hurry due to some explosion issues with those barrels.


Great fiction, you should write some novels.....


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#7278333 - 01/06/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: Swampman700]  
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Originally Posted by Swampman700
Originally Posted by bigblock455
yep the cva mountain rifles in the early years used douglas.

TC used sharron? barrels and they had to stop in a hurry due to some explosion issues with those barrels.


Great fiction, you should write some novels.....


Mykeal is much more knowledgeable than you'll ever be. 4th post.

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#7278338 - 01/06/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: Swampman700]  
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Hawken rifles were tight at the muzzle, almost like a funnel. Made loading hard, but they claimed it made the shots more accurate. Who knows for sure.

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#7278382 - 01/06/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: Swampman700]  
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#7279092 - 01/07/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: bigblock455]  
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Originally Posted by bigblock455
Hawken rifles were tight at the muzzle, almost like a funnel. Made loading hard, but they claimed it made the shots more accurate. Who knows for sure.


i would say that if they were , it would have to have been late Hawkins rifles , produced under the Hawkins name after they sold the shop .
i say that because the rifling platform they had , seems to me to have been incapable of drawing cut rifling through a tapered bore .
It is often recorded that Hawkens rifles carried a tapered barrel . But thatís the profile of the outside not the bore
Now I could be wrong but the taper bore /squeeze bore didnít come about until the advent of forged rifling
Now I have heard of later bench rifles with a tapered bore but normally that was only .0001-2 at the muzzle area .

could you PM me with refrance to Hawkins rifles and the taperd bore big block . i would engoy reading about that

I would seriously doubt that Adesa is using a MIM process for barrel manufacturing .
If they were , their parts would have much higher tolerances. Which swampman , you are saying they donít
But again if we are to complain about what Adesa does , then why not complain about what S&W does ???
Or Remington for that mater .

The fact simply is that if you have a modern gun , that gun will most likely have MIM parts . doesnít mater the maker .
In fact many older guns have early MIM type parts .
I remember back in the early 80ís when many manufactures started selling injection cast parts .
Specifically breech plugs . OHHH how the cry went out about how unsafe they were .
Yet today , its not uncommon to find a very large selection of injection cast plugs .
This cry about MIM is IMO nothing more then the old cry about cast vs. forged parts
In fact I would seriously doubt that for those who buy complete finished replacement parts, you would know if the part was originally injected molded or not unless someone told you .

The difference you are talking about is that today MIM also includes binders vs. the old complete metal melt . Its also a completely different process thatís primarily used for making parts that would other wise have a very high production cost OR a lot of milling cost . Again production cost . Thatís where the MIM production comes in and frankly where it shines
Despite what you may think , barrel making is not such an area . Yes it takes time but whatís been the major cost is in the rifling of the barrel . But today as more and more barrel makers switch to the button rifling process , which now takes around 60 seconds to rifle a bore vs. cut rifling which even with modern machinery still takes around an hour . By hand , days .
I would bet that Adesa uses the button rifling process as its been accepted in Europe for some time, where we have held onto the cut rifling

I do think the day will come when modern MIM enters the rifle barrel market .
Some suggest that its already in the pistol barrel market ,. But frankly youíre the first I have heard suggest that someone is already using MIM to make rifle barrels.

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#7279316 - 01/07/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: Swampman700]  
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I googled this Wakeman guy and he is interesting. I'll have to read up on him. Thanks


LMAO seriously . you just gooled him did ya .
thats a new ploy since you been refering to him on near every post for years

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here is a good one from back in 2010


and who can forget 2005

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#7279662 - 01/07/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: Swampman700]  
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Originally Posted by Swampman700
The MIM process for barrel production is interesting.


Where are you getting that?


#7279915 - 01/07/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: FVA]  
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Now I know who swamp is, and it all makes sense now.


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#7282719 - 01/07/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: Mauser_Hunter]  
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Like I said Wakeman sems to know what he's talking about. I've been doing some reading of his sites today. I may give him a call. Public safety is important to all of us.


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#7283159 - 01/07/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: Swampman700]  
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I can show you an old post that Wakeman claims he's shot hundreds of Powerbelts, and liked them. Now he calls them junk.

He's a whore open to the highest bidder.


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#7283204 - 01/07/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: Mauser_Hunter]  
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#7283269 - 01/07/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: bigblock455]  
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Yeah, I forgot. It wasn't hundreds. He shot thousands of them.

He must have liked them. That was before BPI owned them, but now that BPI owns then they're junk.

Just like Toby saying round balls don't work.


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#7283935 - 01/08/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: Mauser_Hunter]  
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LMAO NICE big block , i wonder if he will show up and threaten to sue you for copy write for quoting him as he did me back when I quoted him
Remembered how he got all fired up because I sent a letter to Pedersoli and Davidís son personally replied with a volume long letter of information contradicting most everything in the quote

never mind Mauser_Hunter
That , Toby shot Rb for years and wrong many articles on his harvests with RB .
But thatís only part of it Mauser Hunter . At one time there was a large group of us here . Both traditional and modern shooters that came from an another the Huntamerica forum . We remember Wakeman real well .
thatís been along time ago but were you not on that forum at that time with myself , black hart and a few others big block

For those new here who may not understand .
swampman is renoun for this. as has been shown, he knows full well who wakeman is and thats been show . but lets jump back / flash back to 2011
even if you dont read the whole thread . at least read the first 4-5 pages .
https://24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/5357364/1

LMAO anyone else remember RW artical on how bad the Rem 700 was LOL , that was a good thread as well and started out with swampan linking to RW web page LOL

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#7283964 - 01/08/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: Mauser_Hunter]  
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Originally Posted by Mauser_Hunter
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He's a whore open to the highest bidder.


Extremely likely


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Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
#7284018 - 01/08/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: Crockettnj]  
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Mauser hunter . Do you remember the topic , some time ago , concerning the fella who was looking for an 800 yard muzzleloader . Wakeman and swampan were both in that one together as I recall .
Also I think that was the one where swampman got us all going with his recommendation for 60 grains of powder behind a .520 patched round ball as a 50 cal load for elk


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Originally Posted by captchee
Mauser hunter . Do you remember the topic , some time ago , concerning the fella who was looking for an 800 yard muzzleloader . Wakeman and swampan were both in that one together as I recall .


Thar she blows


From that thread: #5682532


Originally Posted by Swampman700
Glad to see you posting here Randy.







#7284034 - 01/08/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: captchee]  
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Originally Posted by captchee
Also I think that was the one where swampman got us all going with his recommendation for 60 grains of powder behind a .520 patched round ball as a 50 cal load for elk


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Originally Posted by Swampman700
60 grains of 3f and a patched .520 roundball harvested plenty of elk. You just have to be able to shoot. I guess you girls should take lessons.



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LOL yep that was the one lol


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#7284954 - 01/08/13 Re: Spainish made stuff is junk [Re: captchee]  
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Cap.....I'm well aware. The post that BigBlock posted is from a link I posted on his forum. We all had a good laugh over it.

I know about Toby too. He might be more of a phony than Randy.

Do these guys think we don't remember what they've said in the past?

Randy-Toby-Swamp.........Three peas in a pod.

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