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#7272496 - 01/05/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: NYStillHunter]  
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Yes , as I've said before if osprey still made the vector series, i bet it would be very popular with the BP hunting crowd.

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#7281893 - 01/07/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: Kevin_T]  
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Got my USMC ILBE in today. For 80 bucks shipped, i think its great.

First thing that i noticed is that its HUGE. Molle attachments give me options to add on to it.

I think it will serve me well for the coming season.

Im glad I didnt blow 400 bucks on a trendy pack. Now I can put that cash towards a bow.

#7285459 - 01/08/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: JWP58]  
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^^^^ how big is the ILBE? For $80 I cant afford not to try one.

#7286290 - 01/08/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: BATTLEBORN]  
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Every where I have seen them listed it says they are 4,000 cubic inches.

#7286413 - 01/08/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: JWP58]  
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Originally Posted by JWP58
What kind of pack would you use on a 3 day elk hunt in the mountains?

What does "a 3 day elk hunt in the mountains" mean to you? Are you camping by the rig/road and day-hiking in? If you are backpacking in to a camp, how far? And how far beyond camp are you going to hunt? How many people do you have available to help pack if you get an elk? How much experience do you have hauling elk quarters?

There's a lot of strategy to settle on before picking a specific pack IMHO. Once you figure out how to handle the specific challenges, then think about what equipment works best.

Personally, unless I had enough people in the group that each person could grab a quarter plus their percentage of camp and pack out in a single trip, I'd have 2 packs. First would be a backpacking pack with enough extra capacity that on the first load out, I could carry my camp plus some meat, then go back with a dedicate load hauler, something comfortable for packing elk quarters.

For day hikes from the rig, and ability to haul a quarter out, I like the Badlands 2200. I haven't used it for an elk quarter but I lugged a buck out in one load .. it'll work. My heavy hauler is a Cabela's alaska guide "freighter" frame. It's squeaky but I don't care, I only carry it after I'm tagged out. If I were backpacking in, I'd look at the Badlands 4500. I have a Sacrifice which I use for summer backpacking but it really doesn't haul enough crap for a comfortable cold weather camp, never mind hauling out camp plus meat.

Your question is a good one .. lot of little sub-questions hidden in it you can't really ignore.

Tom


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#7286459 - 01/08/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: Brad]  
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Kute, I wouldn't take an MR for free. I regret feeling that way, but I despise the suspension. It's a big compromise designed to get away from making more than one size. The NICE is another compromise, built around military contracts and ALICE dimensions.

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I'm a little surprised you don't like MR packs, Brad. Having used and liked the Bora packs for a LONG time, I recently got a good deal on a next to new MR Grizzly and have to say that I'm impressed so far. No super heavy, sustained loads thus far, but in the testing and fitting I've found it to be very comfortable. Possibly quite a bit more than the Boras with a equal load. Time will tell of course. I will train with it and some heavy loads over the winter months before making my final decision...


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#7286480 - 01/08/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: T_O_M]  
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Originally Posted by T_O_M
Originally Posted by JWP58
What kind of pack would you use on a 3 day elk hunt in the mountains?

What does "a 3 day elk hunt in the mountains" mean to you? Are you camping by the rig/road and day-hiking in? If you are backpacking in to a camp, how far? And how far beyond camp are you going to hunt? How many people do you have available to help pack if you get an elk? How much experience do you have hauling elk quarters?

Tom


Well looks like its going to be two people. I havent had the chance to scout the unit im going to put in for, but I will get out there around May. So I cant really comment on the "how far from the truck, how far from camp" questions.

Those will have to wait til' I scout the area and decide where to hike in from and to camp.

#7286500 - 01/08/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: JWP58]  
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Originally Posted by JWP58
Got my USMC ILBE in today. For 80 bucks shipped, i think its great.

First thing that i noticed is that its HUGE. Molle attachments give me options to add on to it.

I think it will serve me well for the coming season.

Im glad I didnt blow 400 bucks on a trendy pack. Now I can put that cash towards a bow.


You did well. Way better than any Badlands or Sitka, for way less cash.

The ILBE is basically a beefed up Bora and the Boras are great packs. The ILBEs are a little heavy, but huge. Way more than 4000ci. I used one a bunch last year and wouldn't be sad to hunt the rest of my life using one of them.


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#7290627 - 01/09/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: Wrongside]  
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I just picked up an ILBE - I paid $90 shipped in supposed good condition with the assault pack included as well. I'm hoping it works out for me. I think it will be pretty cool for the money. At that price, I won't worry about it too much even if it only becomes a backup/lend-out bag.

#7290840 - 01/09/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: Kach]  
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Ya i think im going to add the assault pack as well. For a day pack and attach it to the back of the ILBE.

With the molle attachments the possibilies are endless.

I know its not kuiu/sitka cool, but if it works....thats way cooler.

Plus i got an inside line on discounted First Lite merino wool gear, so that will add to the cool factor lol

Bravo

#7290957 - 01/09/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: JWP58]  
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Pretty cool ideas if you check out all of the youtube videos. I'm probably going to pick up a sustainment pouch and try to mod it with some padding for a spotting scope. I'm also thinking I'll use the assault pack as a daypack if I like it. You really can get attachments for just about anything!

#7293733 - 01/10/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: Kach]  
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I'm loving the "get er done" drift of this thread. High end gear is a luxury, not a necessity. Plenty of durable stuff out there for less. I saw a group of high school kids several miles in up near timberline in the Olympics one time outfitted with mostly mil surplus. They were in misery with their ALICE frames, but having the time of their lives. There's a lesson in that. Lots of guys who are brand snobs are that way to reinforce their own sense of efficacy.

#7293840 - 01/10/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: evanhill]  
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Evan - what is the latest on the new HPG pack? Last I heard was release backed up to January, but I haven't dug through your forum in awhile.

#7293899 - 01/10/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: JFKinYK]  
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I have been looking for an excuse to post this:


#7294172 - 01/10/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: Big_W]  
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I will say I watched the video yesterday and the pack looks very well done. I'm curious about a few things that probably require looking at it. Perhaps I can see one at the HPG world headquarters someday smile

#7294267 - 01/10/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: evanhill]  
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Originally Posted by evanhill
I'm loving the "get er done" drift of this thread. High end gear is a luxury, not a necessity. Plenty of durable stuff out there for less. I saw a group of high school kids several miles in up near timberline in the Olympics one time outfitted with mostly mil surplus. They were in misery with their ALICE frames, but having the time of their lives. There's a lesson in that. Lots of guys who are brand snobs are that way to reinforce their own sense of efficacy.


I have been guilty of that and probably still am. You can say that lightweight gear that costs more money does make you more efficient though. I like this line too from Calvin: "As far as gear goes.. The poorer (or cheaper) you are, the tougher you need to be."

I bought an old McHale pack for $20 a couple months ago. This pack is so bombproof and comfortable. The stays in it are worth 20 bucks. It is purple though so its getting some spray paint. Dan McHale advises people not to even bother buying his old "2 bolt" style exp. packs. I would not hesitate to pick one up and try it out if the price is right. See, I am not so elitist grin .

#7294381 - 01/10/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: evanhill]  
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Originally Posted by evanhill
. Lots of guys who are brand snobs are that way to reinforce their own sense of efficacy.


Even us HPG fans?

#7294479 - 01/10/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: Take_a_knee]  
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Originally Posted by Take_a_knee
Originally Posted by evanhill
. Lots of guys who are brand snobs are that way to reinforce their own sense of efficacy.


Even us HPG fans?


Bless the folks paying my bills, but yes I'm sure some of our customers fall in that camp. Hopefully not too many of them though.

#7294515 - 01/10/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: Take_a_knee]  
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Great video. Thanks for posting Big W.


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As far as gear goes.. The poorer (or cheaper) you are, the tougher you need to be.


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#7294532 - 01/10/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: evanhill]  
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Originally Posted by evanhill
I'm loving the "get er done" drift of this thread. High end gear is a luxury, not a necessity. Plenty of durable stuff out there for less. I saw a group of high school kids several miles in up near timberline in the Olympics one time outfitted with mostly mil surplus. They were in misery with their ALICE frames, but having the time of their lives. There's a lesson in that. Lots of guys who are brand snobs are that way to reinforce their own sense of efficacy.


I agree to an extent, but in many cases, buying the best you can afford is the cheapest way to go. Outdoor gear frequently falls into that category. As an example, there was no way I was going to pay the $300 price tag for snowmachine bibs. I probably paid close to $500 going through several sets of bibs from $50-100 each. They always failed, some spectacularly. Eventually I found the bibs I wanted on sale for $250ish, and convinced myself that I had done well. Talk about false economy...$750+ to get a pair of $300 bibs.

I have done that so many times, being the cheap bastard that I am, that my new simplified plan is: Figure out what is best (or what you want), and figure out a way to get it. Buying substitutes only makes it more expensive.

In many cases, being a gear snob is the result of suffering with poorly made gear in the past. Poorly made doesn't always mean cheap either.

All that being said, if you can't afford it, you can't afford it, and you have to find another way. As someone once said: Choices are always easiest when there is no choice.

#7294627 - 01/10/13 Re: So what backpack? [Re: cwh2]  
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That's good wisdom CWH. I did say "durable", but the thing about spending more $$$ to buy three of what you don't want than one of what you do is very true.

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