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Hello,
I purchased a handgun on Gunbroker and contacted the FFL and sent him the funds including shipping in Sept 2012. I became ill and never was able to send him my dealers FFL copy till now. I tried to contact the seller but he now refuses to talk to me. Did I wait too long and have I forefieted my rights to still aquire the firearm from him?
Thanks for any help.
p.s. I did know where to post this but figured there should be some FFL's that post here.
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Believe I would call the FFL's District Attorney and City or Sheriff department. Either of these parties would be interested in visiting this FFL about goods paid for.
How were funds sent? If postal, I would file a fraud complaint.
If the DA or police are not interested, I can imagine that the ATF would be VERY interested.
...and...after all of this is said and done, I would log a complaint with the better business bureau.
There is NO reason this person should not resolve this.
Let me guess....was this purchase an AR or other high priced item now?
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Thanks....it was a TC contender and I paid by personal check sent by U.S. mail. I checked and there is a ATF field office in his immediate area. I have the cancelled check. The amount of purchase was 400.00
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Wow I just checked Gunbroker and the FFL dealer sold the same gun on 11/15/2012. What now?????
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Where is the ffl dealer located?
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I tried to contact the seller but he now refuses to talk to me. I paid by personal check sent by U.S. mail. I have the cancelled check. The amount of purchase was 400.00 Wow I just checked Gunbroker and the FFL dealer sold the same gun on 11/15/2012. What now????? I'd say that he definitely owes you $400. I'd try contacting him once more, with info on the auction where he later sold the gun, along with a copy of your cancelled check. If no response, go to Gunbroker.
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Where is the ffl dealer located? In Washington State
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I tried to contact the seller but he now refuses to talk to me. I paid by personal check sent by U.S. mail. I have the cancelled check. The amount of purchase was 400.00 Wow I just checked Gunbroker and the FFL dealer sold the same gun on 11/15/2012. What now????? I'd say that he definitely owes you $400. I'd try contacting him once more, with info on the auction where he later sold the gun, along with a copy of your cancelled check. If no response, go to Gunbroker. I emailed him just now and left a phone message. If no response I will contact the Yakima ATF field office on Monday. Gunbroker is worthless.
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Did the sale site list the terms and conditions of the sale? If a time was stipulated for receipt of funds and or FFL then you may be out of luck to that end. Having said that I would think that you are due your $400 to be returned.
I think you will find that the BATFE does not deal with this type of thing. They only license dealers. They do not deal with failure to provide services/goods. The State Attorney General is one avenue to address this. Having said that I think you will find limited assistance forthcoming from the AG. They will file a case and they will contact the smith but for a single case of $400 I do not think they will act. I know, I went through an ordeal over $4000.
Send the guy a certified letter outlining what happened and state that you want your money returned by a given date since he failed to deliver the goods you purchased
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When i was a FFL Dealer i sent payment for a shotgun to a FFL in Chicago and the guy cashed the check and didn't send the goods. I contacted the ATF and they payed them or him a visited and i had my money returned within a week . The ATF guys are always looking for something to put a FFL out of business. The ATF may help you get a refund if you contact them and the guy who ripped you off is a FFL Holder.
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When i was a FFL Dealer i sent payment for a shotgun to a FFL in Chicago and the guy cashed the check and didn't send the goods. I contacted the ATF and they payed them or him a visited and i had my money returned within a week . The ATF guys are always looking for something to put a FFL out of business. The ATF may help you get a refund if you contact them and the guy who ripped you off is a FFL Holder. Yes,the dealer is a current licensed FFL.
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Just a question, but you dont have to send a copy of the FFL anymore do you? Cant the FFL be verified over the internet? I understand that a few years ago it was legally required, but is it still? Just curious and maybe it will help you out. Hope you get your $400 back.
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ATF visit to him might get your money back.
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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Just a question, but you dont have to send a copy of the FFL anymore do you? Cant the FFL be verified over the internet? I understand that a few years ago it was legally required, but is it still? Most sellers will take a scanned and emailed copy, or even just the first and last few numbers, and verify it via EZ Check. There is no legal requirement to have a wet ink signed copy in hand, but individual sellers (and FFLs) can be ticky about this, and you really can't force them to do it if they decide they want a hard copy.
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Wow. You didn't give him the required "ship to" info for over 3 months, you cancelled the check that he didn't ever cash, and he sold the gun to a more responsive buyer. Sounds like a done deal to me. Get over it and move on.
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Just a question, but you dont have to send a copy of the FFL anymore do you? Cant the FFL be verified over the internet? I understand that a few years ago it was legally required, but is it still? Just curious and maybe it will help you out. Hope you get your $400 back. The shipping FFL MUST have a hard copy of the Receiving FFL license in his paperwork to comply with the law.
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...you cancelled the check that he didn't ever cash... Your reading comprehension sucks: he said that the dealer cashed the check and that he has the cancelled check. I would say the guy owes him $400.
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Just a question, but you dont have to send a copy of the FFL anymore do you? Cant the FFL be verified over the internet? I understand that a few years ago it was legally required, but is it still? Just curious and maybe it will help you out. Hope you get your $400 back. The shipping FFL MUST have a hard copy of the Receiving FFL license in his paperwork to comply with the law. They can fax it now....
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Just wanted to say the FFL and me worked it out. Thanks
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If they need a hard copy what's the ffl ez check for?
The collection of taxes which are not absolutely required, which do not beyond reasonable doubt contribute to public welfare, is only a species of legalized larceny. Under this Republic the rewards of industry belong to those who earn them. Coolidge
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