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Based on the comments of several very trusted individuals, including a couple of well-respected guys from the 'fire, Wyatt's doesn't seem to have the same quality and fitment as the AICS BM's, such as the Atlas...*hint* I agree with that assessment... the Wyatts feels like a lighter metal is used over the factory mag box. I did have to tweak it a bit to keep the rounds in the box IIRC, but regardless, it wasn't a big deal. Weight and cost over the other BM's was the deciding factory for me on that build.
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I'll probably run the factory mag box until I upgrade barrels, and then get fancy from there.
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A tumbler, Lyman moly, and 800 105s sit atop my bench... McM Mountain Rifle w/ BDL bottom bondo finish sans recoil pad is inbound, along with an SS 24" 700 takeoff already punched 243 A.I.... I'm told this tube kissed 105s at 2.762" on the previous action, so I'm interested to see where it's at once headspaced onto my own. If I can control it whatsoever, I'll have the Dr. set it to kiss at 2.8", in order to use up allllll that good powder column.
I will likely clear coat the stock, and run it as long as I can stand the Ugly Duckling Bondo look, glue on a pink flip flop pad, and bed/float the sucker. Talley LWs with a 3-9x40 M1 ele in the saddle will do the lookin'.
Anybody got's a weight guess? By my best estimation, it should be a skosh over 7.5# with 3 in the gut.
For anybody that GAF...
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A tumbler, Lyman moly, and 800 105s sit atop my bench... McM Mountain Rifle w/ BDL bottom bondo finish sans recoil pad is inbound, along with an SS 24" 700 takeoff already punched 243 A.I.... I'm told this tube kissed 105s at 2.762" on the previous action, so I'm interested to see where it's at once headspaced onto my own. If I can control it whatsoever, I'll have the Dr. set it to kiss at 2.8", in order to use up allllll that good powder column.
I will likely clear coat the stock, and run it as long as I can stand the Ugly Duckling Bondo look, glue on a pink flip flop pad, and bed/float the sucker. Talley LWs with a 3-9x40 M1 ele in the saddle will do the lookin'.
Anybody got's a weight guess? By my best estimation, it should be a skosh over 7.5# with 3 in the gut.
For anybody that GAF... Tanner, what contour is the takeoff? Sounds like its going to be a great project. Have you Molly's before or is this your first go? I would think your smith can throat that to whatever the hell you want. Those 105 Amax kick ass.
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Sporter tube, and this'll be my first venture with moly. Hopefully it works out nicely.
The only reason I question being able to throat where I want is because like aalf pointed out, the barrel has had some rounds down it and might be tough on a reamer. I doubt that'll present an issue, though...
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I wouldn't overthink the throating issue, it will fit it your magazine and shoot basically the same velocity regardless. Might try moly coating only a hundred or so bullets first, to see if you like it. It's not too hard to remove, but still.... I quit using moly years ago, and wish I would've stopped earlier, as sacreligious as that sounds  .
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It seemed like the advantages were mostly in my mind, while the disadvantages (dirty to apply and deal with, cleaning cycles weren't much different) were enough that it just wasn't worth it. Mostly I just got lazy, quit applying it and didn't notice any difference, so I left it behind.
Then I tried UBC, which seemed to work better as far as helping out with less cleaning, and was a one time deal. No more moly for me!
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Gotcha'. I didn't plan on chuckin' all 800 in the tumbler at the same time, so I'll definitely see how the first 100 or so work and shoot.
If I can find enough powder to shoot some bullets, I will be a happy camper.
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I'm with PG, as for me and my barrels they won't see moly...grin
Short story, while back my 700/Mash took ill. I took it to my smith, he scoped it and proceeded to cuff me. Told me to look at the moly build up. He said if you can get rid of it it'll go back to shooting. Took some time but I got rid of it and low and behold the Mash went back to playing nice.
Now my 223 Ack didn't handle it that way so maybe all don't. But one very good tube did so that sealed it for this old perro.
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I'm going to at least give the stuff a shot and see how the barrel reacts to it. If it doesn't jive, I'll scrub the sucker out and start naked,
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Mine is a rem 700 short action with a new take off sporter
Rem 700 barrel like yours set back and reamed to seat bullets at 2.80" initially. I have been fireforming and tried a few newly formed brass with 105's and RE 15 with great results. No moly yet for me. Redding 3 die set and this is my second .243 AI. Still working up loads but just under 3000 fps now. Anybody using Retumbo powder for this one? Target is around 3100 fps depending on best accuracy. Check out the 6mm BR website if you have not already done so.
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If all you want is 3100fps, then I'd suggest you load up 43.5gr IMR4350, and I bet your groups will be impressive. Speed should be right close to 3100.
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Told me to look at the moly build up.
Interesting.....as Moly cannot build up on itself......
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I would forget about moly and just Dyna-Bore Coat.
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I wouldn't overthink the throating issue, it will fit it your magazine and shoot basically the same velocity regardless. +1. The 2.762" will not take any noticeable volume over a 2.8" on powder capacity and the 2.762" will allow you to chase the lands a little more. John
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Thanks for the thoughts. I'll be interested to see how close it headspaces out and what adjustments are needed... Leaving it short of 2.8" is probably a good idea I suppose.
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aalf,
Yes, moly can build up. Kevin Thomas proved that years ago with extensive tests at the Sierra lab.
He found out it built up in the throat area over about a 50-round cycle to the point where accuracy suffered, then the excess blew out and accuracy came back--sometimes.
I often saw the same thing when I was fooling with moly a decade or so ago, which is why I also much prefer DBC .
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Mine is a rem 700 short action with a new take off sporter
Rem 700 barrel like yours set back and reamed to seat bullets at 2.80" initially. I have been fireforming and tried a few newly formed brass with 105's and RE 15 with great results. No moly yet for me. Redding 3 die set and this is my second .243 AI. Still working up loads but just under 3000 fps now. Anybody using Retumbo powder for this one? Target is around 3100 fps depending on best accuracy. Check out the 6mm BR website if you have not already done so. I was hitting 3000 today in a standard 243 with a 22" barrel. Didn't see any signs of pressure, but I was a little surprised with the velocity. My first go round with the 105...
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SAS-how much and of what were you driving?
Thx
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