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When rafting around the west snakes can be an issue in camps. It looks like CCI quit selling shot shells for 38/357 (my only stainless revolver) and I'm out.

Anyone know of an alternative source of snake shot or do I need to buy dies and capsules?

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If you do start reloading them yourself I recommend loading them with the #12 shot used in 22LR and 22 Magnum factory shot shells.

The 38 and 45ACP factory rounds have #9 - the "cloud of dust" that #12's create is my choice for handgun shots hells. I load them 45ACP and 45LC.

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What he said - #12 works mo' betta'

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Originally Posted by mark shubert
What he said - #12 works mo' betta'

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Mo' Betta' indeed.


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I use a lot of 38 special rat shot on bulls. I load my own. You can buy the capsules through midway or most reloading supply places. I use #10 or #12 shot. I have used 7 1/2 shot but not the coverage as the smaller shot.


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I like #8 shot myself, but have not tried #12. I've killed snakes and quail with #8, no complaints.

Looks like bass pro has some in stock:
CCI Shotshells

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I tried this

http://www.castbullet.com/reload/44shot.htm

with .38 Special.

I bought a box of factory shells in #8 to mine them for shot. I found that I quickly ran out of pattern. I was shooting empty, ah, adult beverage cans to scientifically measure penetration and pattern.

My personal conclusion is that I gained no range over what I can achieve with 158gr hollow point at .38 Sp velocities.

If I was going to do this seriously, I would use the smaller shot and use .357 brass or the capsules.

Incidentally, a mix of lead shot and dry corn starch provided the best pattern and penetration. I think I lost a lot of pressure because the cardboard functions poorly as a wad.



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And so where do you get your #12 shot. Been looking for it for years and still haven't found anything smaller than #9. Guess I've been looking in all the wrong places.


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Instead of capsules, couldn't a guy use gas checks or home made wads from a milk cartoon? I haven't been impressed with the cci shot shells on paper. The closer the better, the farther away it seems like a donut pattern appeared on paper.

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I've done that. I used corn cob media over the pellets as a buffer instead of wads, and sealed the cases using paraffin or the wax stuff that they use for cooking. #12 shot is dangled hard to find. I got a bunch of old # 9 shot from some of my buddies that used to shoot skeet. Worked great on West Texas Rattlesnakes.

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I think Ballistic Products still sells #12 shot...if you want 5 lbs, which would last me about 25 years.


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Rifled barrels and tight patterns are mutually exclusive.


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Originally Posted by viking
Instead of capsules, couldn't a guy use gas checks or home made wads from a milk cartoon? I haven't been impressed with the cci shot shells on paper. The closer the better, the farther away it seems like a donut pattern appeared on paper.


This is what I load. Two gas checks is all you need.

FWIW - My son shot a snake twice at a distance of eight feet with a CCI 38 special snake shot load and it slithered away. I finished it off with a 22 rimfire to the head.

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Chop-shot, cut from soft sheet lead. I use old x-ray room wall lining, but you could pour molten lead really thin, I guess.
Mixed shot sizes, say some #12 & some #9, also help, but nothing
I've found beats the chop-shot. Ineffecient shape, sharp corners,
edges- each little piece does more damage than a sphere.
In .44 cases, without plastic capsules, these have many times torn a pop can nearly in half at 8-10 paces. Very good snake load, and the same system works best I've found, in smaller cases. Capsules, of course, are better yet. Over-powder wads
can be pre-cut wads for cap & ball guns, top with light cardboard wad, run a fair crimp w seating die, top with liquid alox and let it cure.

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Originally Posted by huntinaz
I like #8 shot myself, but have not tried #12. I've killed snakes and quail with #8, no complaints.

Looks like bass pro has some in stock:
CCI Shotshells


Cool . Looks like I looked everywhere but there.


Thanks a bunch!

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Looks like BPS has them on backorder. We'll see if the order actually gets filled before floating through snake country.


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Update: They're supposed to be here tomorrow. Rattle snakes in camp this summer had better watch out!


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Originally Posted by mark shubert
What he said - #12 works mo' betta'

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okay, you fellows that rolled your own,
What velocity worked well for you?

What propellent worked well for you?


thanks! wink

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