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OK, guys, here's something else that's sure to make somebody mad!
As it was described to me, many years ago at the university, the "sympathetic" fallacy goes like this,
"If that had happened to me, I would've felt [XYZ] about it � therefore, when it happened to him, he felt [XYZ] about it."
or
"If I'd said that, I would've meant [XYZ] � therefore, when he says it, he means [XYZ]."
It's common, an every-day occurrence, on the Campfire. It enables people from several states away to know what a distant fellow (whom they've never met and don't need to meet) "really" feels or means.
(Please, y'all, take careful note that I'm neither alluding to nor referring to anybody in particular. But don't be surprised when somebody pipes-up with "He means me.")
"Good enough" isn't.
Always take your responsibilities seriously but never yourself.
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You talking about me???? 
The first time I shot myself in the head...
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That one dovetails nicely with the ad ignorantiam fallacy. If ya can't prove it's not true, then it is.
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Prime examples already loading up on the �Zimmerman Prosecutor Tells Jury� thread.
Posters that on the first day of the trial already knew what was in Zimmerman�s head.
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Ken;
I learned a long ago to not think of my being so powerful that I can make anybody feel anything. People feel what ever way they choose to feel.
I have better things to do then take responsibility for some one else's feelings.
Jim
"Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." --Thomas Jefferson
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I know what you mean,KEN.
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That one dovetails nicely with the ad ignorantiam fallacy. If ya can't prove it's not true, then it is. I've more often encountered other versions of that � � If you can't prove that it's true, it isn't.� It never happened to me, so it can't happen."You say that it happened to you? You're delusional!" � I've never seen it happen, so it couldn't happen."You think that you saw it happen? You dreamed it!" (Polite ways of saying "You're a fool!" or "You're lying!")
"Good enough" isn't.
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As a salesperson I have to guard against this. I use questions like, "So if I understand you correctly you are saying _________?"
Difference is when I am in sales mode I am listening to understand. Too often when I am in argument mode, particularly in front of my "friends" here, I am seeking to shoot for points. I try not to be like that, but it happens.
Another unfortunate dynamic here on the Internet is how people can ofttimes take the asking of questions as rhetorical argumentation when I am actually trying to understand. Seems people are a lot less patient than in FTF conversations but that makes sense, as so much is lost when all I can do is read your words and not your voice inflection, facial expressions, and body language.
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� people can ofttimes take the asking of questions as rhetorical argumentation � In my real-life experience, by far the most questions that people ask are not rhetorical. What I see on the 'Fire is both (a) people taking "straight" questions as if they're rhetorical and (b) people taking rhetorical questions as if they're "straight." � and often, the obviously rhetorical questions are invitations to ponder a matter, not challenges to fight about something or other (certainly not to "argue" by calling each other nasty names).
"Good enough" isn't.
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OK, guys, here's something else that's sure to make somebody mad!
As it was described to me, many years ago at the university, the "sympathetic" fallacy goes like this,
"If that had happened to me, I would've felt [XYZ] about it � therefore, when it happened to him, he felt [XYZ] about it."
or
"If I'd said that, I would've meant [XYZ] � therefore, when he says it, he means [XYZ]."
It's common, an every-day occurrence, on the Campfire. It enables people from several states away to know what a distant fellow (whom they've never met and don't need to meet) "really" feels or means.
(Please, y'all, take careful note that I'm neither alluding to nor referring to anybody in particular. But don't be surprised when somebody pipes-up with "He means me.") One day closer to me dancing a jig!
"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
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If I write something to which somebody is unintentionally offended, it is my fault for not making it clear. Within reason, of course. When all we have to communicate are words, then we need to chose them carefully to say exactly what we mean.
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For Mark Twain, vocal language possessed a quality that no one could isolate or reproduce in any other form of communication. He abhorred newspaper reporters' verbatim reports of his lectures, for he felt that such reproduction � � leaves the soul out of it, and no more presents that lecture to the reader than a person presents a man to you when he ships you a corpse.�
"Good enough" isn't.
Always take your responsibilities seriously but never yourself.
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