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Originally Posted by Craigster
Any pics yet?


He's waiting for the same photographer that was going to photograph Lee24's South Carolina Made 375 H&H Model 70......


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Originally Posted by 6mm250
Maybe some old rifle looney had a couple boxes of the old 30-03 ammo. Good of an excuse as any to get Winchester to build him a rifle.


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Why does Lee24 keep coming to mind?


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i also have a model 70 marked 30govt03 but it wont let me add a picture, im pretty sure the bottom of the barrel reads 1908 46


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Originally Posted by Hubert
Originally Posted by 6mm250
Maybe some old rifle looney had a couple boxes of the old 30-03 ammo. Good of an excuse as any to get Winchester to build him a rifle.
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Bingo ;;I bet we have a winner as that is what I was thinking. someone had a set up to make bullets for the 30-03 and diden't want to change.I would of done it grin



Two other possibilities;

First, the owner wanted to shoot cast bullets and the shorter '06 neck wouldn't cover all of the grease grooves on his favorite projectile.

Second, his thinking was old fashioned "longer neck is better" ala the Krag and the old black powder and semi-smokeless cartridges of the day. Longer neck means more consistent case neck tension, straighter bullet seating, better grip on long projectiles, etc...

I can remember folks fussing about the .300WM as being not as capable of fine accuracy as other cartridges because it has such a short neck in relation to its caliber.

Who knows. It can be entertaining, trying to figure out why folks did something. grin

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In the early days after 1906 I read that people would order a rifle for the heavy 220grain in .30/03 and if they wanted the 'newist thing' speedster they would get it in .30/06 because the standard load was 150 grain bullet. ( This was talking about the '95)


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Well if the 270 vs 30-06 debate is not esoteric enough we can start an 03 vs 06 thread.

Maybe we should get a 24HCF 30-03 reamer to share.


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Originally Posted by Jericho
If you read Rule's book you would be suprised at the calibers
that were in the R&D department and never left the factory.
What are the chances of finding a Springfield 03 in .30-03?
But then again how could you tell, as the calibers werent stamped on them.


"What are the chances of finding a Springfield 03 in .30-03?"

I saw one at the Maryland Gun Collectors show in May in pristine condition. The price (which I forget) was accordingly high!

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When I fist saw this thread I was sceptical but curious. As the thread went on, I went from sceptical to doubtful. The news that the camera was broken removed almost all doubt. I am considering chambering a 30/03 just to have one. I'll bet it just kicks the crap out of an '06. GD

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I was doubtful too. greydog,... you won't have to trim brass as often either.... grin


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A couple years ago there was a picture of one on either here or Accurate Reloading's web-site with a close up picture of the 30-03 marking. When it comes to P64 M70's just about anything was possible but I found it odd that it was on a post war gun as I would assume any 30-03 M70 would be a very early pre war.

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Originally Posted by BobinNH
Darned near anything could have come out of R&D...or the custom shop.

I never thought they made the M70 in 405 Winchester....but they did.



I have a .30-03 M-95 but have never seen a M-70 so stamped.

Some oddities are post-64 reinventions of Winchester history. Couple 9x57 M-70s (IIRC, consecutive SNs) built in the '80s.

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Originally Posted by keyshunter
I think that upon further inspection he will find that it is marked .30Gov't06. I had an early model 70 with this marking.


I too have an early M70 with that marking.

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Originally Posted by boltman
I may have to take some more photos of my '95 in .30-03. Here are some photos of another '95 I have that I thought was more interesting to photograph. It is a special order musket and the museum letter indicates it has been back to the factory several times. It has a special order 32 inch barrel and I really wish this gun could talk smile

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Extremely nice 95!

NEVER HEARD OF A PRE-64 WINCHESTER MODEL 70, IN 30-03 GOVERNMENT!

Can't find it listed anywhere! That Cartridge Has been Obsolete since 1906!
Doesn't mean that Someone, didn't do something unusual!

Need Pics. to Verify!!!

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Originally Posted by Heeler
Buddy asked me to post up and help him out. He just picked up a Model 70 in 30govt03. He said it's dated to 1948.

I know that's the old 30-03 so curious as to why the barrel would be marked like that?

Any info I could get would be appreciated. Oh, and I haven't seen the rifle either so can't comment on condition.


Winchester did make mistakes.
There's always a possibility.
Never know if someone put it together for whatever reason.

I'd really like to see detailed pics to help Verify!

Never know!

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Originally Posted by BlackDog1
you won't have to trim brass as often either.... grin


Laffin..... my exact thoughts as well 😲


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I have a 1902 Win 1895 in 30/40 Krag that is marked "30 US"
I have a 1950 Win M70 in 30-06 that was marked "30 GOV 'T.' 06-" that is now a take off barrel.


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Originally Posted by Heeler
Well, the camera did get broken at the Lake last weekend said my pal.

Anyway, he updated me on some info. He said he found an old article talking about how Winchester had an ".06" stamp break and tried to modify a ".03" stamp to work. He said he put a magnifying glass to it and said you could tell there was a faint outline that looked like a "6", but was not seeable with the naked eye. According to him the barrel hasn't been refinished. He didn't tell me what/if the markings were on the bottom side of the barrel so hopefully will get that info soon.

I did tell him he still ought to do a chamber cast just to see.

Hopefully I can see it in the near future to see what it looks like.

Therefore, breakout the tar and feathers, crow casserole or crow however you want to cook it, and flame throwers. I've got my asbestos suit on. grin

I'll go sit in the corner for a bit.


Heeler, it’s been 9 years already. Did your buddy get his camera fixed yet?

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