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I hunted in a rifle zone in WI a couple years ago, once. I simply couldn't believe the bullets zinging around. The terrain was flat, open and relatively populated with farm homes., lots of hunters and deer on opening day. I was actually scared of being hit for a few hours there on opening morning. When a group of deer busted out of the brush and ran across fields, those farm boys would open up with their semi-auto 30-06's and it sounded like a fire fight in Vietnam. There were wounded deer wobbling all over the place and one group of hunters actually got confused which blood trail to follow. I've never seen anything like it. I hope this decision doesn't cost any lives. Good luck to them, I'm not going to be there till later in the season.

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AK Jim, No disrespect intended to you, but I am wondering why you would hunt in a place like you described if it is/can be so dangerous? No deer would be worth that to me.I agree there are those who one can consider somewhat unsafe, but with todays modern shotgun rounds they were already a detriment. A rifle as shown in the Lehigh Study is not going to make those types a "bigger" threat.

We simply don't have those type of hunters here in southern Shawano county near where I hunt, and hopefully it won't change.

Whelen Nut you are right on when it came to the CC debate. I sat at various sporting good store entrances guaging support and providing info for CC the first time around when Doyle got Sherman to turn the overide vote his way with the lucarative lifetime job offer, and the Fudds did indeed speak of mass carnege if CC were allowed to go into effect. Too bad they don't have to held accountable for those predictions.


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I understand chainsaw, none taken. From my experience in Southern Rusk county on opening day, I won't hunt the farm until about the third day of the season. Until then, I hunt county land in the north of Rusk county, I take a trail east off the Thornapple grade. That farm country to the south, by our farm anyway is simply too populated, open and flat for hunters with rifles.

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Just sayin it's much easier to shoot wolves with a rifle than a shotgun or a bow.


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And no I'm not kidding. The back tag never bothered me. If you had your back tag, you had all your deer tags. Its pretty easy for someone to take a shot and blend with the rest of the orange. The back tag is like a license plate. If you're not doing anything wrong, you got nothing to worry about. It sure helped in Rice Lake.

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Alaskajim.....what you reported in Rusk county is very common place where I live and we've never been shotgun only. I live about 40 mi se of Rusk county. Our Rural areas have absolutely "popped" with newer homes built out in what used to be dairy farm country.
A buddy of mine had a boat ruined this summer by a bullet hole in the roof of his shed. It rained like crazy this spring. Apparrently the bullet hole happened last fall and he never knew it. As crazy as it sounds he had his boat in the back of the shed where he never walked by it and he apparently was never in the shed when it was raining. He found the boat totally full of water this fall and the floor totally rotted out. He went up on the roof and found an elongated bullet hole coming from the direction of a field where the hunting crew is known to be quite trigger happy. Luckily my buddy is also a hunter although he's still not to happy with this falls "find"!

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Well then, I guess you never change hunting jackets during the day, or during the season, or have ever lost one and had to get it replaced before you could legally hunt again. Same backtag for archery and gun season, too. Constant changing the idiotic tag from one jacket to another. Total PITA.

A license/tag belongs in your wallet not on your back where it can be easily lost or forgotten on another outer garment.

49 other states know it's a dumb, outdated idea. Frankly the only reason we still have it is because the WDNR would have to go through all the bother and expense of upgrading thousands of their license printing units, software, and supplies. That's the real reason!

The WDNR is slowly coming out of the dark ages and getting rid of some of their "gotcha laws". A couple of years ago they finally got rid of the 'gun case' regulation and now, finally, the 'shotgun only' areas.

Perhaps you can explain to me, please, why it is necessary for a private land owner or members of their hunting party to wear a "license plate" when hunting their own private property?

Looks like we are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue.













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Even private land owners do unethical things. As far as remembering your tag, you also have to remember your other items for hunting. I found out the hard way when I got to Canada and found out I packed everything but my hunting clothes. I've known guys to ditch their orange when hunting. Not a good idea. Its just my opinion, nothing more. Just be careful. No deer is worth dieing for.
As I said, I was up by Rice Lake when the shooting happened. That sure put a damper on deer camp that year. That back tag number helped put the shooter behind bars for along time.

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Getting his back tag most likely helped. We found one case and there are others. Problem is if a murder is planned they don't have back tags. The guy was also suspicious from the get go. A Mung wearing all camo during gun season. If not getting the back tag I'm sure he would have been questioned when he got his ATV ride out of the woods cause he was turned around. They were waiting for him at the road, ( I think that's how it went anyway) Lets hope it never happens again, back tags or not.

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I'm glad they FINALLY got rid of the ridiculous shotgun-only zones. I lived and hunted in a shotgun-only county for 15 years (Fond du Lac). Supposedly a "safety" thing... bullsh!t!!!

Since they allowed handguns and muzzleloaders in those counties as well, many hunters were out there with Contenders in .243, 7x30 Waters, etc, that shoot just as far as any rifle. And a LOT of people have been hunting with saboted 20-gauge shotguns that will shoot a 200 gr bullet a mile (my daughter, f'rinstance). Hell, the inline muzzleloader I shot my last half-dozen WI deer with fires a 300 gr saboted bullet into a sub-MOA group at 200 yards.


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I can't find a photo of a 200-yd group, but this is a 4-shot group at 100 yards using 295 gr PowerBelt (plastic tip) bullets over 2 pellets of Jim Shockey Gold, shot out of a CVA Optima Pro with a Nikon Monarch 3-9X scope. Ballistics hold out to 200 yards, and get a bit wonky past that... but I've killed deer with this combination at 220-230 laser-measured yards, and in most of WI that's a LONG shot. Not braggin', just sayin' you don't need a centerfire rifle to make a "rifle" shot.

The "shotgun-only" rule was superseded by technology a decade ago.

As for back tags, I see no problem with them, since you've got to have 50% of your body wrapped in hunter orange anyway.


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