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Originally Posted by mtmuley
Gonna poach too there plainview? mtmuley


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My point was, if there is no one on the job, then who is going to be there to hand you a ticket for accessing a road that was legally open before October 1st? I don't poach. But I have no problem rolling through the Obamanazi's locked gates.


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Originally Posted by mtmuley
Gonna poach too there plainview? mtmuley


Sigh.

My point was, if there is no one on the job, then who is going to be there to hand you a ticket for accessing a road that was legally open before October 1st? I don't poach. But I have no problem rolling through the Obamanazi's locked gates.


Let's keep our standards high. Regardless of the sickeningly low standards adhered to by our "representatives" in Washington. We start cutting gates during the shutdown and you can bet your last dollar we will soon see dozer piles where the gates used to be.


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Originally Posted by Bullcamp82834

Let's keep our standards high. Regardless of the sickeningly low standards adhered to by our "representatives" in Washington. We start cutting gates during the shutdown and you can bet your last dollar we will soon see dozer piles where the gates used to be.


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Originally Posted by plainview
Originally Posted by mtmuley
Gonna poach too there plainview? mtmuley


Sigh.

My point was, if there is no one on the job, then who is going to be there to hand you a ticket for accessing a road that was legally open before October 1st? I don't poach. But I have no problem rolling through the Obamanazi's locked gates.


For the record. The Tea party (republicans) shut down the government.


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Originally Posted by Mauser_Hunter
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Gonna poach too there plainview? mtmuley


Sigh.

My point was, if there is no one on the job, then who is going to be there to hand you a ticket for accessing a road that was legally open before October 1st? I don't poach. But I have no problem rolling through the Obamanazi's locked gates.


For the record. The Tea party (republicans) shut down the government.
They most certainly did not. All monetary bills must originate in the house and they did exactly that. The house republicans passed a budget bill that would keep everything going except Obamacare. The senate Dems and the whitehouse are the ones who have shut it down. All the senate needs to do is pass that bill and then handle O-care separately. The orders to shut it all down have come from Obama, not the house.


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Originally Posted by Mauser_Hunter


For the record. The Tea party (republicans) shut down the government.


Please elaborate...

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For the record. The Tea party (republicans) shut down the government.


Please elaborate...


Sure. The republicans want to shut down Obamacare. It's not going to be done, because it's passed into law. The Tea party could care less about law, and tried to put in in their budget. Of course the Dems refused it, but did vote in the senate for a budget with the republicans numbers. The republicans refused to vote on it, because it would have passed. They didn't want it to pass, so by not voting on it the government had no funding, an closed.

The Tea party held the government hostage by insisting some changes to Obamacare. That is not the way to get a law changed, but they didn't care. They've done their best to put the blame on Obama, but they haven't fooled the majority. Polls are showing the Republicans are to blame for the shutdown, and they're right.

I'm not a fan of Obama, or Obamacare, but the republicans are wrong in how they went about this. You don't let people suffer by shutting down the government to try and change a law you have no chance of changing.

Of course Obama has to enforce the shutdown now. He has no choice.

All the Republicans have to do is vote on the budget that the senate gave them, and the shutdown would be over. Nobody is forcing anything on them. Just take a vote on a budget that is their numbers in the house which they are the majority. That means a lot of republicans need to vote on it for it to pass.

Simple as that.


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Originally Posted by Mauser_Hunter
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Originally Posted by mtmuley
Gonna poach too there plainview? mtmuley


Sigh.

My point was, if there is no one on the job, then who is going to be there to hand you a ticket for accessing a road that was legally open before October 1st? I don't poach. But I have no problem rolling through the Obamanazi's locked gates.


For the record. The Tea party (republicans) shut down the government.


No- the Senate shut down government. The House passed a spending bill, as denoted in the Constitution. The Senate has not taken up the bill sent from the house. The Senate Majority leader has failed to take up the bill(s). To be 100% accurate, it is the Senate that has shut the government down. If the Senate were to act and the president vetoes, then he is responsible for the shut down. It is were the process stops where the shut down occurs. What we have here is the Senate and president successfully getting the media to report that the republicans and those "radical tea party members" are responsible, supported by the libtard media.



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The bill the house sent the senate also had the Obamacare changes in it. Of course the senate wouldn't vote on it. The bill the senate sent to the house was clean of anything but the budget. As it should be.

You don't get to change a law (obamacare) when hashing out a budget. That's not how it's done. I'm sure you're aware of that.


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So, by your thinking the House has to cave in to the wishes of the Senate? Both sides are being obstinate, but that just reflects how divergent the objectives are. Why can't the Senate agree to changes in OCare? When something as large as Obamacare is so poorly understood and the ramifications not understood, why should the House fund that? Why can't the Senate accept the delays that were offered until the details are worked out and understood?

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Originally Posted by prm
So, by your thinking the House has to cave in to the wishes of the Senate? Both sides are being obstinate, but that just reflects how divergent the objectives are. Why can't the Senate agree to changes in OCare? When something as large as Obamacare is so poorly understood and the ramifications not understood, why should the House fund that? Why can't the Senate accept the delays that were offered until the details are worked out and understood?


Obamacare has problems, and maybe it should be delayed. However, it should be done this way. It should be done through the regular channels.

The point is, nothing is being shoved down the republicans throats. Let them vote for the senate bill, and see what happens. They have the majority on their side.

The bottom line is the republicans are afraid Obamacare will work, and are trying to close it now, before everybody see's it works. If it fails it will be easy to close it, but if it succeeds Obama looks good, and they can't stand that.


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Ok, i'm not running away from this. I had planned to go scout a new area after lunch, and I just ate.

Later.


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I don't see what the 'regular channels' are. I'm sure there is some truth to what you say about the motives, but I don't think anyone understands it well enough to say with any certainty that it can work without bankrupting us. Why take that risk. Delaying it until it is thought out and refined would be prudent. The problem is I don't think you can turn these entitlement-like programs off once they are established.

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I'd go scout an area instead of discussing Obamacare too! I just packed my bags for a Wed flight to CO.

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Originally Posted by Mauser_Hunter
The bill the house sent the senate also had the Obamacare changes in it. Of course the senate wouldn't vote on it. The bill the senate sent to the house was clean of anything but the budget. As it should be.

You don't get to change a law (obamacare) when hashing out a budget. That's not how it's done. I'm sure you're aware of that.


wow, do you have it wrong. the budget bills originate in the House of Representatives, and funding for obamacare is part of the budget. if the Representatives do not want to include funding for obamacare, they are under no obligation to include it just because the Senate wants it. if the Senate wants funding for obamacare, they have to negotiate for it. they do not get to dictate what gets passed in the House.


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Originally Posted by Mauser_Hunter
The bill the house sent the senate also had the Obamacare changes in it. Of course the senate wouldn't vote on it. The bill the senate sent to the house was clean of anything but the budget. As it should be.

You don't get to change a law (obamacare) when hashing out a budget. That's not how it's done. I'm sure you're aware of that.


wow, do you have it wrong. the budget bills originate in the House, and if they do not want to include funding for obamacare, they are under no obligation to include it just because the senate wants it. if the senate wants funding for obamacare, they have to negotiate. they do not get to dictate what gets passed in the House.


That is 110%c accurate.


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You guys nee to do more research. The funding for Obamacare has already passed. It's already in effect.

There's another point you seem to be missing. The budget that the senate passed is the budget the republicans asked for. The republicans are saying no to yes we accept your budget.

The republicans want to squash Obamacare to make Obama look bad. That's their whole agenda. The pitiful part is they're willing to shut the government to do it.


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Only 15% of the government is shut down, just the stuff to piss off the most people.
Why the hell do we have 'nonessential" people sucking up a paycheck anyway?
Most of the things they shut down took more people to guard and patrol it than it did to run.
You can really see the true colors of our dictator shining through.
Stand your ground Boehner!

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He's not standing his ground. He's scared shi-tless of losing his job.


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Thank goodness lame duck King Ombuma will be losing his job.

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